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KimchiNinja
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 Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:59 am Post subject: |
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| goat wrote: |
| Another good reason for the big markets; American beef at 1/3 the price... |
Yeah, but that stuff has mad cow disease in it. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| goat wrote: |
| Another good reason for the big markets; American beef at 1/3 the price... |
Yeah, but that stuff has mad cow disease in it. |
Now you're just (a) repeating a lie out of incredible ignorance, or (b) lying intentionally knowing full well your statement isn't true. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| goat wrote: |
| Another good reason for the big markets; American beef at 1/3 the price... |
Yeah, but that stuff has mad cow disease in it. |
Now you're just (a) repeating a lie out of incredible ignorance, or (b) lying intentionally knowing full well your statement isn't true. |
You guys are so stiff, lighten up!
The HomePlus drama really has you that down?  |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
As someone shops at Homeplus, Emart, and the dept. stores I think Homeplus basically serves as filler in the 'foreign goods' spectrum. Theres a few brands that are only in Emart, a few only in dept. stores and a few in Homeplus, plus some Tesco brand stuff. Homeplys beats the emart for beef. Emart is better for fish and pork tenderloin. Homeplus gets the nod on dry pasta, but not by much. Cheese- Hyundai dept. store. And anyone who pays the markup on rebought stuff at the foreign food store in Itaewon is dumb. Half their crap is bought at one of the main stores and just resold. The other half though is unique. Mostly S. Asian and halal stuff.
It will suck when Homeplus leaves, but it wont devastate. I hope they just contract rather than completely shut down. |
You're missing the point.
Homeplus was the company that started bringing in foreign goods. Before that E-mart had very little foreign products. Homeplus has been the fire under E-marts ass that made it start stocking foreign foods like pasta, pesto, foreign beer, etc.
Before Homeplus, the foreign food stores were the only place to buy a lot of foreign items. Homeplus stocks a lot of Tesco stuff, which helped drive the price down. |
Homeplus didn't "make" EMart stock foreign products. Consumer demand did, largely from Koreans travelling overseas and returning and demanding foreign products. |
Can you give some proof that that was the reason rather than that HomePlus and Costco introduced Koreans to more foreign products which they liked and bought and thus E-mart had to follow suit? |
Which is more likely- That A) Koreans traveling overseas and returning or watching cooking TV shows and eating at local pasta restaurants generated demand for these products or B) That Koreans saw these products in the stores and spontaneously decided to purchase them, experiment with them at home, and as you put it in another thread "understood the significance of the onions at Costco".
Now I'm sure that B happened in a few cases. I'm pretty sure that A happened in most cases. B would require you to admit that Koreans love to try new things and sample foreign foods and experiment and that they also "understand the significance of new foreign products". Which is it atwood? |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
As someone shops at Homeplus, Emart, and the dept. stores I think Homeplus basically serves as filler in the 'foreign goods' spectrum. Theres a few brands that are only in Emart, a few only in dept. stores and a few in Homeplus, plus some Tesco brand stuff. Homeplys beats the emart for beef. Emart is better for fish and pork tenderloin. Homeplus gets the nod on dry pasta, but not by much. Cheese- Hyundai dept. store. And anyone who pays the markup on rebought stuff at the foreign food store in Itaewon is dumb. Half their crap is bought at one of the main stores and just resold. The other half though is unique. Mostly S. Asian and halal stuff.
It will suck when Homeplus leaves, but it wont devastate. I hope they just contract rather than completely shut down. |
You're missing the point.
Homeplus was the company that started bringing in foreign goods. Before that E-mart had very little foreign products. Homeplus has been the fire under E-marts ass that made it start stocking foreign foods like pasta, pesto, foreign beer, etc.
Before Homeplus, the foreign food stores were the only place to buy a lot of foreign items. Homeplus stocks a lot of Tesco stuff, which helped drive the price down. |
Homeplus didn't "make" EMart stock foreign products. Consumer demand did, largely from Koreans travelling overseas and returning and demanding foreign products. |
Can you give some proof that that was the reason rather than that HomePlus and Costco introduced Koreans to more foreign products which they liked and bought and thus E-mart had to follow suit? |
Which is more likely- That A) Koreans traveling overseas and returning or watching cooking TV shows and eating at local pasta restaurants generated demand for these products or B) That Koreans saw these products in the stores and spontaneously decided to purchase them, experiment with them at home, and as you put it in another thread "understood the significance of the onions at Costco".
Now I'm sure that B happened in a few cases. I'm pretty sure that A happened in most cases. B would require you to admit that Koreans love to try new things and sample foreign foods and experiment and that they also "understand the significance of new foreign products". Which is it atwood? |
I'm willing to bet that stocking foreign food products is mostly a money losing affair in Korea. |
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mandrews1985
Joined: 12 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| Interesting that Walmart left Germany, and don't really have a presence in continental Europe. |
Have they got a presence in the UK? I don't remember ever seeing one. Germany has got LIDL and ALDI which are hammering Tesco in Britain at the moment. So much so that they had to sell their fleet of private jets recently. |
Walmart owns ASDA and it has the 2nd biggest market share in the UK with about 18%, 10% less than Tesco.
Walmart is also the 11th biggest retailer in Europe. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| The HomePlus drama really has you that down? |
Nope. Actually, I just went to Carrefour last night and I'm hitting up Wal-Mart Saturday. Hey, I might even go check out the sales offerings at Tesco. I'm kind of a happy camper regarding shopping, evidently. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
As someone shops at Homeplus, Emart, and the dept. stores I think Homeplus basically serves as filler in the 'foreign goods' spectrum. Theres a few brands that are only in Emart, a few only in dept. stores and a few in Homeplus, plus some Tesco brand stuff. Homeplys beats the emart for beef. Emart is better for fish and pork tenderloin. Homeplus gets the nod on dry pasta, but not by much. Cheese- Hyundai dept. store. And anyone who pays the markup on rebought stuff at the foreign food store in Itaewon is dumb. Half their crap is bought at one of the main stores and just resold. The other half though is unique. Mostly S. Asian and halal stuff.
It will suck when Homeplus leaves, but it wont devastate. I hope they just contract rather than completely shut down. |
You're missing the point.
Homeplus was the company that started bringing in foreign goods. Before that E-mart had very little foreign products. Homeplus has been the fire under E-marts ass that made it start stocking foreign foods like pasta, pesto, foreign beer, etc.
Before Homeplus, the foreign food stores were the only place to buy a lot of foreign items. Homeplus stocks a lot of Tesco stuff, which helped drive the price down. |
Homeplus didn't "make" EMart stock foreign products. Consumer demand did, largely from Koreans travelling overseas and returning and demanding foreign products. |
Can you give some proof that that was the reason rather than that HomePlus and Costco introduced Koreans to more foreign products which they liked and bought and thus E-mart had to follow suit? |
Which is more likely- That A) Koreans traveling overseas and returning or watching cooking TV shows and eating at local pasta restaurants generated demand for these products or B) That Koreans saw these products in the stores and spontaneously decided to purchase them, experiment with them at home, and as you put it in another thread "understood the significance of the onions at Costco".
Now I'm sure that B happened in a few cases. I'm pretty sure that A happened in most cases. B would require you to admit that Koreans love to try new things and sample foreign foods and experiment and that they also "understand the significance of new foreign products". Which is it atwood? |
Now you've added cooking shows and Italian restaurants. Next it will be from movies. Don't forget foods introduced by the U.S. military or that they first ate in an English class and were proved by the native speaking instructor. Or foods that have Korean copies. So make your final argument and then I'll get back to you on it.
Or you could just admit you were wrong. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
As someone shops at Homeplus, Emart, and the dept. stores I think Homeplus basically serves as filler in the 'foreign goods' spectrum. Theres a few brands that are only in Emart, a few only in dept. stores and a few in Homeplus, plus some Tesco brand stuff. Homeplys beats the emart for beef. Emart is better for fish and pork tenderloin. Homeplus gets the nod on dry pasta, but not by much. Cheese- Hyundai dept. store. And anyone who pays the markup on rebought stuff at the foreign food store in Itaewon is dumb. Half their crap is bought at one of the main stores and just resold. The other half though is unique. Mostly S. Asian and halal stuff.
It will suck when Homeplus leaves, but it wont devastate. I hope they just contract rather than completely shut down. |
You're missing the point.
Homeplus was the company that started bringing in foreign goods. Before that E-mart had very little foreign products. Homeplus has been the fire under E-marts ass that made it start stocking foreign foods like pasta, pesto, foreign beer, etc.
Before Homeplus, the foreign food stores were the only place to buy a lot of foreign items. Homeplus stocks a lot of Tesco stuff, which helped drive the price down. |
Homeplus didn't "make" EMart stock foreign products. Consumer demand did, largely from Koreans travelling overseas and returning and demanding foreign products. |
Can you give some proof that that was the reason rather than that HomePlus and Costco introduced Koreans to more foreign products which they liked and bought and thus E-mart had to follow suit? |
Which is more likely- That A) Koreans traveling overseas and returning or watching cooking TV shows and eating at local pasta restaurants generated demand for these products or B) That Koreans saw these products in the stores and spontaneously decided to purchase them, experiment with them at home, and as you put it in another thread "understood the significance of the onions at Costco".
Now I'm sure that B happened in a few cases. I'm pretty sure that A happened in most cases. B would require you to admit that Koreans love to try new things and sample foreign foods and experiment and that they also "understand the significance of new foreign products". Which is it atwood? |
I'm willing to bet that stocking foreign food products is mostly a money losing affair in Korea. |
Not for Costco.
I doubt any of the markets are losing money on the foreign fruits and vegetables they stock or the alcohol selections.
So "mostly"--I'll take that bet. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
Not for Costco.
I doubt any of the markets are losing money on the foreign fruits and vegetables they stock or the alcohol selections.
So "mostly"--I'll take that bet. |
Aside from mangos, kiwis, and bananas, what fruit/veggies are imported that Koreans eat? Most other fresh produce are domestically grown. You do get packaged stuff like nuts, and dried fruits. And canned imported goods are pretty limited. Although I do wish they offered more cheaper beef from the US or Australia. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
Not for Costco.
I doubt any of the markets are losing money on the foreign fruits and vegetables they stock or the alcohol selections.
So "mostly"--I'll take that bet. |
Aside from mangos, kiwis, and bananas, what fruit/veggies are imported that Koreans eat? Most other fresh produce are domestically grown. You do get packaged stuff like nuts, and dried fruits. And canned imported goods are pretty limited. Although I do wish they offered more cheaper beef from the US or Australia. |
Blueberries, cherries, pineapples, asparagus, avocados, grapefruit, grapes, lemons, sometimes limes are available, even some broccoli and lettuce. All sorts of frozen berries and vegetables, even french fries and hash browns. Neither fruit nor vegetable, but lots of imported seafood.
Lettuce, carrots, apples and who knows what else are imported from China. But that's probably not what you meant by foreign foods.
As for canned and/or bottled goods, try any of the department stores. Pricey, but a better selection than HomePlus, etc. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Blueberries, cherries, pineapples, asparagus, avocados, grapefruit, grapes, lemons, sometimes limes are available, even some broccoli and lettuce. All sorts of frozen berries and vegetables, even french fries and hash browns. Neither fruit nor vegetable, but lots of imported seafood. |
Like to point out that grapes are mostly domestic, and some blueberries. Then I think about it, I may have lost this bet. Since I forgot to include carbonated drinks too, like coke.
Okay foreign foods is not a money losing adventure. Go ahead and open a shop and offer these foreign foods. But make sure to include a tin of kimchi, or some kind of sweet sauce for your average Korean customer. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Now you've added cooking shows and Italian restaurants. Next it will be from movies. Don't forget foods introduced by the U.S. military or that they first ate in an English class and were proved by the native speaking instructor. Or foods that have Korean copies. So make your final argument and then I'll get back to you on it.
Or you could just admit you were wrong. |
My final argument is that you have as much evidence to support your conclusion as I do mine, except mine has the added benefit of common sense. You already are contradicting yourself on another thread and are in the position where in order for your point to be true, you have to admit that Koreans A) Love foreign food and B) Love to experiment.
Your argument is that Homeplus caused the demand. My argument is that the demand already existed (and was to some extent being filled by Korean imitations) and Homeplus merely capitalized on that pre-existing demand with imported options. |
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atwood
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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Now you've added cooking shows and Italian restaurants. Next it will be from movies. Don't forget foods introduced by the U.S. military or that they first ate in an English class and were proved by the native speaking instructor. Or foods that have Korean copies. So make your final argument and then I'll get back to you on it.
Or you could just admit you were wrong. |
My final argument is that you have as much evidence to support your conclusion as I do mine, except mine has the added benefit of common sense. You already are contradicting yourself on another thread and are in the position where in order for your point to be true, you have to admit that Koreans A) Love foreign food and B) Love to experiment.
Your argument is that Homeplus caused the demand. My argument is that the demand already existed (and was to some extent being filled by Korean imitations) and Homeplus merely capitalized on that pre-existing demand with imported options. |
If I'm contradicting myself on another thread, point it out there.
That wasn't my argument, and it wasn't your argument. You've changed your argument twice now.
Koreans don't have to LOVE foreign food for my argument to be correct. They merely have to enjoy some foreign foods.
For example, what's the latest fad food in Korea? Lentils.
Common sense? Your claims become ever more audacious. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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Now you've added cooking shows and Italian restaurants. Next it will be from movies. Don't forget foods introduced by the U.S. military or that they first ate in an English class and were proved by the native speaking instructor. Or foods that have Korean copies. So make your final argument and then I'll get back to you on it.
Or you could just admit you were wrong. |
My final argument is that you have as much evidence to support your conclusion as I do mine, except mine has the added benefit of common sense. |
Roundhouse kick, points scored. Back to your corners, prepare for final round. |
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