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watergirl
Joined: 01 Jul 2008
Location: Ansan, south korea
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 Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:39 am Post subject: So... $$$ compared... Taiwan~China~Middle East~Korea |
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Whose in the know....Has anyone worked around in many or any of these different countries...???
Taiwan.. is it to good to save money there?
I've heard a plus= have own apt and can legally work other jobs, so is it possible to make/save more money there..?
The Middle East ` salaries are high..but, is the cost of living not high as well, ?
China.. it's cheaper, and salaries are getting better right?
just wondering,
now..in Korea....hours are getting longer, immigration rules are getting worse..the dreaded LOR is again needed., AND not a lot of extra p/t evening work I'd say (esp. w/ any p/t job now asking foreigners to sponsor w/ them for 1 year. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 4:38 am Post subject: Re: So... $$$ compared... Taiwan~China~Middle East~Korea |
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| watergirl wrote: |
Whose in the know....Has anyone worked around in many or any of these different countries...???
Taiwan.. is it to good to save money there?
I've heard a plus= have own apt and can legally work other jobs, so is it possible to make/save more money there..?
The Middle East ` salaries are high..but, is the cost of living not high as well, ?
China.. it's cheaper, and salaries are getting better right?
just wondering,
now..in Korea....hours are getting longer, immigration rules are getting worse..the dreaded LOR is again needed., AND not a lot of extra p/t evening work I'd say (esp. w/ any p/t job now asking foreigners to sponsor w/ them for 1 year. |
The middle east is its own bag of worms. The money is good (IF you qualify for a decent job) and that is the ONLY good thing about it. The cost of living is often subsidized by oil money.
Most Korean E2 types wouldn't get their foot in the door in the middle east.
Taiwan is OK but the issues and potential money aren't that different from Korea for unlicensed teachers. It is all buxiban (hogwon) work. There are no benefits and often you need to put 2 or 3 jobs together to make it work (unless of course you are the greatest thing since sliced bread - then you will need to beat off all the students who want to enroll in your classes).
China is hit and miss. Government jobs still pay poorly but there are opportunities for "extra income streams".
Working for private schools varies widely from the dismal (help me escape please) to a virtual gold mine with every convenience and tech available for your teaching.
Salaries and benefits also vary widely (typically from 5000 rmb to 15000 rmb + benefits.
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Fuzzy_Dunlop
Joined: 18 Jun 2014
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:31 am Post subject: Re: So... $$$ compared... Taiwan~China~Middle East~Korea |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
The money is good (IF you qualify for a decent job) and that is the ONLY good thing about it. The cost of living is often subsidized by oil money. |
The ONLY good thing?
Please elaborate. Can you tell us about some of the experiences you had in the places you lived and worked in the Middle East? |
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watergirl
Joined: 01 Jul 2008
Location: Ansan, south korea
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
Actually Tompatz, I know several teachers here who are now in the Middle East and they don't seem to mind it..(None of them have masters degrees but they are all female)
BUT, I'm really wondering mainly about whether it's possible to save money. IE: If the high salary is not bc of the high cost of living.
..And, so in Taiwan, are you saying that if you are marketable (get offered jobs easily), then it is possible to save money? |
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watergirl
Joined: 01 Jul 2008
Location: Ansan, south korea
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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I'm just considering my options..bc I find the working standards are getting worse here. Actually, I do get offered jobs, but the jobs do seem to be worse, and making it difficult to save money. (longer hours, low pay,).
And possibly what's coming next is that employers will require teachers to sign on for longer than a year.
(My friend's hakwon has hired a new teacher that has signed on for a 17 MONTH contract.!! |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: So... $$$ compared... Taiwan~China~Middle East~Korea |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
Taiwan is OK but the issues and potential money aren't that different from Korea for unlicensed teachers. It is all buxiban (hogwon) work. There are no benefits and often you need to put 2 or 3 jobs together to make it work (unless of course you are the greatest thing since sliced bread - then you will need to beat off all the students who want to enroll in your classes). |
Taiwan buxibans are worse than the average hogwon. 20 students to a class, zero discipline allowed. Shared housing. |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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I considered working towards going to the middle east but I decided against it. I don't think I'd be able to hide my complete disdain for the country, culture, and religion.
My mouth would likely get my hand cut off or worse. |
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Fuzzy_Dunlop
Joined: 18 Jun 2014
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| Cave Dweller wrote: |
I considered working towards going to the middle east but I decided against it. I don't think I'd be able to hide my complete disdain for the country, culture, and religion.
My mouth would likely get my hand cut off or worse. |
You know the Middle East is not a country, right? Or one culture? |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:08 am Post subject: |
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Yeah and I have a similar opinion of about every country there.
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| Cave Dweller wrote: |
I considered working towards going to the middle east but I decided against it. I don't think I'd be able to hide my complete disdain for the country, culture, and religion.
My mouth would likely get my hand cut off or worse. |
You know the Middle East is not a country, right? Or one culture? |
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ChrisPK
Joined: 07 Aug 2014
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| Does anyone happen to know why many ESL jobs in Saudi Arabia requires US citizenship? Is it because they want to exclude Canadians? If so, why? |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Could it be a visa issue? Or maybe Canada's consulate sucks as much as the one in Seoul?
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