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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| ...why the ignorant fucks still continue to burn plastic is just astounding. |
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Perhaps some people need educating in how to take plastic to the free recycling centers outside nearly every residential place in Korea. 
But, I suppose that would be too much hard work for the pig farmers in suits. |
Every place I've lived has had sortable recycling and disposable the residents all follow it. This is so common, I don't see how its possible you are unaware of it. As an American, the level of personal recycling far exceeds that back home. Now, there is also lots of litter and times people don't follow the rules as well, but to suggest that every Korean is standing outside their apartment in Jamsil and lighting plastic fires is asinine. Don't blame the entire country for some 60 year old from Jeolla burning plastic outside his farm.
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Wether China gave Korea the wheel in 1800 or 1300... does not change the fact that Korea has invented nothing neither did it contribute anything useful to the world and civilization.
Its easy to see why. Korean culture crushes individuality, talent and skill in the aim of upholding hierarchy; it wallows in sexism, male-domination, corruption and ineptitude.
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First, plenty of Western nations have produced brutal, repressive regimes filled with sexism and corruption. Many of them until very recently and/or for 95% of their history. I find it odd that you'll look back in time for Korea's failures and ignore their recent history, while with the Western nations, you seem only to focus on their successes in the past but ignore the bad parts of history at the time and declare Western culture as basically that of the post-1945. You can't point to Western inventions in say, 1943 in Germany and then declare that that isn't related to the local culture at the time which makes N.Korea look like a peaceful paradise in
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You just seem to have a really inconsistent criteria for judging nations and cultures.
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| But it pis*es me off that I and others experience a wall of arrogant xenophobia from a people who logically should be more grateful and friendly to the outside world. |
What exactly is the nature of this gratefulness? Should they be bowing down to you personally? Should they surrender their country over to yours to be overseen by a military governor who rules by supreme mandate? Are they supposed to throw every foreigner a parade after they step off the plane? Are they supposed to put your interests ahead of their own?
YOU haven't done jack to deserve any gratefulness. YOU ARE YOU. YOU are not AMERICA or ENGLAND.
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| They have good advancements today but none of them are original. Almost all knowledge here is gleaned from somewhere else. |
Which was freely bought and traded for or imposed via military occupation. Not exactly things you throw people a party for.
And furthermore, this bothers you why? You aren't the ambassador of Australia or Canada. You aren't a representative of the government. You don't speak for those countries or western civilization, so I don't see how you feel entitled to be in a position to judge. |
That's rich coming from you, who has an opinion on seemingly everything under the sun and states them as if they were fact.
As for consistency, you call out German culture, but on any thread mentioning Korean culture as a cause you argue against culture, sometimes going to the extreme of denying the existence of Korean culture. Show some consistency of your own before criticizing others for a lack of it, a criticism that lacks some credibility because of your own inability to be consistent. If you can't spot your own consistency, how can you spot others'?
And how about putting quality of thought and writing before quantity? Sentences like the following are painful to read:
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| As an American, the level of personal recycling far exceeds that back home. |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:11 am Post subject: |
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How did it turn out? Samsung was found to have illegally copied for than 100 patents. They also won the appeal.
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Which is why Apple sued Samsung, right?
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They have good advancements today but none of them are original. Almost all knowledge here is gleaned from somewhere else.
Which was freely bought and traded for or imposed via military occupation. Not exactly things you throw people a party for.
And furthermore, this bothers you why? You aren't the ambassador of Australia or Canada. You aren't a representative of the government. You don't speak for those countries or western civilization, so I don't see how you feel entitled to be in a position to judge. |
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Yeah, remind me again, how did that turn out for them?
And since Apple sued Nokia, I assume people would accuse the Finns as being little more than thieves. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| As for consistency, you call out German culture, but on any thread mentioning Korean culture as a cause you argue against culture, sometimes going to the extreme of denying the existence of Korean culture. Show some consistency of your own before criticizing others for a lack of it, a criticism that lacks some credibility because of your own inability to be consistent. If you can't spot your own consistency, how can you spot others'? |
The German example was mentioned by me to show the failures and the inconsistent standards. Duh.
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How did it turn out? Samsung was found to have illegally copied for than 100 patents. They also won the appeal.
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And lost a bunch of other lawsuits in other countries. Also the damages in the US award were seen as essentially a loss by Apple. Apple has since dropped all of its lawsuits outside the US. Anyways we know that Apple copied a bunch of stuff as well. Not exactly a resounding victory.
Anyways, what exactly is it you want from the Korean people? Them to worship you personally for bringing them technology? |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:13 am Post subject: |
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| As for consistency, you call out German culture, but on any thread mentioning Korean culture as a cause you argue against culture, sometimes going to the extreme of denying the existence of Korean culture. Show some consistency of your own before criticizing others for a lack of it, a criticism that lacks some credibility because of your own inability to be consistent. If you can't spot your own consistency, how can you spot others'? |
The German example was mentioned by me to show the failures and the inconsistent standards. Duh.
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How did it turn out? Samsung was found to have illegally copied for than 100 patents. They also won the appeal.
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And lost a bunch of other lawsuits in other countries. Also the damages in the US award were seen as essentially a loss by Apple. Apple has since dropped all of its lawsuits outside the US. Anyways we know that Apple copied a bunch of stuff as well. Not exactly a resounding victory.
Anyways, what exactly is it you want from the Korean people? Them to worship you personally for bringing them technology? |
What failures? Thank God the third reich failed.
But VW keeps truckin' right along.
Do you have evidence Apple views their litigation as a loss? The lawsuits in the U.S. continue. If they were a loss, why would they keep at them?
Worship is reserved for ancestors in Korea. I'll pass. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:18 am Post subject: |
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| Do you have evidence Apple views their litigation as a loss? The lawsuits in the U.S. continue. If they were a loss, why would they keep at them? |
It's global patent warfare out there, the strategies employed are complex, and you wouldn't understand. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| Do you have evidence Apple views their litigation as a loss? The lawsuits in the U.S. continue. If they were a loss, why would they keep at them? |
It's global patent warfare out there, the strategies employed are complex, and you wouldn't understand. |
As many Canadians already know, from Nortel, and a possible BlackBerry future bankruptcy, patents are highly sought after. One major reason Microsoft bought Nokia. Apple may be spitting out patents, but a lot of them are just bought-out in the expensive fire-sale from hi-tech bankruptcies.
The vultures are circling BlackBerry, just waiting for them to drop. And the vultures includes Samsung, and Apple. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| Do you have evidence Apple views their litigation as a loss? The lawsuits in the U.S. continue. If they were a loss, why would they keep at them? |
It's global patent warfare out there, the strategies employed are complex, and you wouldn't understand. |
Whether I understand or not isn't in question. It's whether your boy sr does.
Looks like another checkmate. You should go back to tiddly winks or whatever game it is that apologists are good at.  |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:28 am Post subject: |
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And lost a bunch of other lawsuits in other countries. Also the damages in the US award were seen as essentially a loss by Apple. Apple has since dropped all of its lawsuits outside the US. Anyways we know that Apple copied a bunch of stuff as well. |
What did they copy? (There's a lot of he said, she said out there to muddy the waters....As I understood, Apple was using some proprietary parts that Samsung had patents on, but what specifically did Apple copy from Samsung?)
It's been typical Samsung strategy to copy products, then when accused of copying, flip the script and accuse the other side of the same... and happily tie them up in legal battles while they slowly take market share. It's not just Apple they've done this with. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:35 am Post subject: |
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What did they copy? (There's a lot of he said, she said out there to muddy the waters....As I understood, Apple was using some proprietary parts that Samsung had patents on, but what specifically did Apple copy from Samsung?)
Not from Samsung, from other companies. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:47 am Post subject: |
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What did they copy? (There's a lot of he said, she said out there to muddy the waters....As I understood, Apple was using some proprietary parts that Samsung had patents on, but what specifically did Apple copy from Samsung?)
Not from Samsung, from other companies. |
But they were in litigation with Samsung, and you tried to make it sound even-steven, which it isn't. Not even close.
Anyway, what did they copy? |
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KimchiNinja
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:21 am Post subject: |
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Operating companies just want to make stuff (like cell phones), they DO NOT want to pay the IP holder. Basically everyone is ripping off everyone, if they think they can get away with it. But the patent wars are making that more difficult now.
Companies started buying up patents for defense, and for offense, and it turned into an arms race. US tech companies started patenting, buying patents, and also licensing entire portfolios from patent aggregation firms. Samsung fell behind as Koreans didn't realize the point of patents and were not as aggressive in their patenting and acquisition of patents. After getting hammered Samsung decided they had misjudged and that patents were indeed important. However Samsung remains only interested in defense (they are not interested in getting a financial return on the patents, just discouraging attackers). Although they can always counter-sue if attacked. Other companies are more aggressive and want to see some revenue from their patent holdings.
These wars are about who holds the most patents, not necessarily who invented what, or the quality of the patents. Apple may have invented something and patented it, but they may also have purchased a bunch of patents someone else invented, or licensed them. It's all about my dick is bigger than your dick. If both dicks are basically the same it's a draw. Because of the dick measuring legal fees (litigation) companies don't want to get caught up in this stuff unless they feel confident they have a bigger dick. Sometimes they send letters to each other "I allege my dick is really big" in hopes the company will pay up, without having to actually prove their dick size in court.
That may not have been the most elegant explanation, but yeah... |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:06 am Post subject: |
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Operating companies just want to make stuff (like cell phones), they DO NOT want to pay the IP holder. Basically everyone is ripping off everyone, if they think they can get away with it. But the patent wars are making that more difficult now.
Companies started buying up patents for defense, and for offense, and it turned into an arms race. US tech companies started patenting, buying patents, and also licensing entire portfolios from patent aggregation firms. Samsung fell behind as Koreans didn't realize the point of patents and were not as aggressive in their patenting and acquisition of patents. After getting hammered Samsung decided they had misjudged and that patents were indeed important. However Samsung remains only interested in defense (they are not interested in getting a financial return on the patents, just discouraging attackers). Although they can always counter-sue if attacked. Other companies are more aggressive and want to see some revenue from their patent holdings.
These wars are about who holds the most patents, not necessarily who invented what, or the quality of the patents. Apple may have invented something and patented it, but they may also have purchased a bunch of patents someone else invented, or licensed them. It's all about my dick is bigger than your dick. If both dicks are basically the same it's a draw. Because of the dick measuring legal fees (litigation) companies don't want to get caught up in this stuff unless they feel confident they have a bigger dick. Sometimes they send letters to each other "I allege my dick is really big" in hopes the company will pay up, without having to actually prove their dick size in court.
That may not have been the most elegant explanation, but yeah... |
That's true. It's probably the same phenomenon with Asian condom manufacturing companies and western ones. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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What did they copy? (There's a lot of he said, she said out there to muddy the waters....As I understood, Apple was using some proprietary parts that Samsung had patents on, but what specifically did Apple copy from Samsung?)
Not from Samsung, from other companies. |
But they were in litigation with Samsung, and you tried to make it sound even-steven, which it isn't. Not even close.
Anyway, what did they copy? |
http://sploid.gizmodo.com/how-the-first-iphone-copied-everything-and-the-last-one-1482728020
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/02/if-android-is-a-stolen-product-then-so-was-the-iphone/
If the iPhone were a country, it would be Korea if you followed the bashers view- Copy everyone else to make a product that was evolutionary not revolutionary (Hwa'cha) and other hip features that are evolutions (DMB/Portable Mp3 player/ Coloring Ring Back), slap it in a hip bubblegummy package (Kpop), and then try to ruthlessly smash and limit outside competition.
Or you can believe some fantasy about a bunch of creative Apple engineers sitting in a room, playing the bongo drums, and magically inventing this entire phone out of thing air and it being ruthlessly copied by scheming Asians with braided pony tails and ninja body guards. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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Steve Jobs' genius was to take prototypes, for the most part, of products, to see the potential in them and then perfect them, especially in design and user interface. He knew what people wanted before they knew they wanted it and thus was able to create new product categories.
That's far different from what Korean companies do. |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Now I don't personally care wether Korea is innovative or not. But it pis*es me off that I and others experience a wall of arrogant xenophobia from a people who logically should be more grateful and friendly to the outside world. |
How is S. Korea not grateful? SK is a textbook example of how to turn a basketcase into a pretty solid US ally, and a trading partner. They roll out the red carpet anytime the US president visits. And in the past severely repressed anti-Americanism. The Korean government is probably the 3nd most pro-American government in Asia (behind Japan and the Philippines).
Essentially everything the US wanted SK to be has turned out. |
Yeah, because the bitterly anti-American beef protests a few years back never happened. And the sky-high tariffs on American cars. Fuggetaboutit. |
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