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KimchiNinja
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The interesting thing is Korea is responsible for much of the materials, manufacturing techniques, and skilled-labor that goes into your iPhone. Where are those parts being made? Samsung!  |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| The interesting thing is Korea is responsible for much of the materials, manufacturing techniques, and skilled-labor that goes into your iPhone. Where are those parts being made? Samsung! |
Yes, the chaebols and government have and are investing in improving manufacturing techniques for the parts they make, for example, better smartphone screens. This is the incremental innovation Korea is capable of.
But these parts are basically just commodities, so not nearly as interesting as you claim. As for skilled labor, not so much. Easily trainable to do repetitive tasks would be a better description. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Steelrails"]
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What did they copy? (There's a lot of he said, she said out there to muddy the waters....As I understood, Apple was using some proprietary parts that Samsung had patents on, but what specifically did Apple copy from Samsung?)
Not from Samsung, from other companies. |
But they were in litigation with Samsung, and you tried to make it sound even-steven, which it isn't. Not even close.
Anyway, what did they copy? |
http://sploid.gizmodo.com/how-the-first-iphone-copied-everything-and-the-last-one-1482728020
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/02/if-android-is-a-stolen-product-then-so-was-the-iphone/
If the iPhone were a country, it would be Korea if you followed the bashers view- Copy everyone else to make a product that was evolutionary not revolutionary (Hwa'cha) and other hip features that are evolutions (DMB/Portable Mp3 player/ Coloring Ring Back), slap it in a hip bubblegummy package (Kpop), and then try to ruthlessly smash and limit outside competition.
Or you can believe some fantasy about a bunch of creative Apple engineers sitting in a room, playing the bongo drums, and magically inventing this entire phone out of thing air and it being ruthlessly copied by scheming Asians with braided pony tails and ninja body guards. |
It was copied: when Samsung learned about the iPhone, they put a plan in place to copy it ASAP, with a timeline and endless benchmarks that they had a hard time meeting. If Apple hadn't made the first iPhone, there wouldn't have been one to copy from. Apple should at least get some credit here, instead of everyone trying to muddy the waters into some same-same narrative.
From your own source:
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| The first iPhone was a true breakthrough that shaped the multitouch-dominated world we live in. It took its clues from everyday objects to create a familiar experience that was instantly understood (and copied.) |
The K-pop analogy is terrible. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| The interesting thing is Korea is responsible for much of the materials, manufacturing techniques, and skilled-labor that goes into your iPhone. Where are those parts being made? Samsung! |
Yes, the chaebols and government have and are investing in improving manufacturing techniques for the parts they make, for example, better smartphone screens. This is the incremental innovation Korea is capable of.
But these parts are basically just commodities, so not nearly as interesting as you claim. As for skilled labor, not so much. Easily trainable to do repetitive tasks would be a better description. |
More biased Korea-hate.
So basically the US can't make the parts as well (they need Germany, Japan and Korea), they can't assemble it as cheap (they need China), all they do is invention.
But each year invention increases in Asia relative to the US (China has increasing count of scientists, and increasing count of patents filed). Soon the US will be surpassed there too, then what will they do? Leech off Asia? Beg for handouts? |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Apple may have invented something and patented it, but they may also have purchased a bunch of patents someone else invented, or licensed them. |
Samsung and other Korean companies produce proprietary parts that are used in many products. These were often incremental advancements on pre-existing inventions, or just a buy up of those patents in order to dominate a certain market of parts and fix prices on them. Good business move, but does not equate to Apple "copying". |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| The interesting thing is Korea is responsible for much of the materials, manufacturing techniques, and skilled-labor that goes into your iPhone. Where are those parts being made? Samsung! |
Yes, the chaebols and government have and are investing in improving manufacturing techniques for the parts they make, for example, better smartphone screens. This is the incremental innovation Korea is capable of.
But these parts are basically just commodities, so not nearly as interesting as you claim. As for skilled labor, not so much. Easily trainable to do repetitive tasks would be a better description. |
More biased Korea-hate.
So basically the US can't make the parts as well (they need Germany, Japan and Korea), they can't assemble it as cheap (they need China), all they do is invention.
But each year invention increases in Asia relative to the US (China has increasing count of scientists, and increasing count of patents filed). Soon the US will be surpassed there too, then what will they do? Leech off Asia? Beg for handouts? |
More biased America-hate. What's wrong with invention?
As for the "increasing count of patents filed" claim... you yourself just outlined the patent wars. China is hip to this probably more than anyone. That's not to say they are the best inventors, but they can get credit for copying well and using ultra-cheap ways to make products (often by cutting corners and having cheap labor in the first place.) |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| KimchiNinja's uncanny ability to make other posters become caricatures of themselves without their realizing it continues to amaze me. The scary thing is that while he's trolling, the rest of y'all are serious. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Now I don't personally care wether Korea is innovative or not. But it pis*es me off that I and others experience a wall of arrogant xenophobia from a people who logically should be more grateful and friendly to the outside world. |
How is S. Korea not grateful? SK is a textbook example of how to turn a basketcase into a pretty solid US ally, and a trading partner. They roll out the red carpet anytime the US president visits. And in the past severely repressed anti-Americanism. The Korean government is probably the 3nd most pro-American government in Asia (behind Japan and the Philippines).
Essentially everything the US wanted SK to be has turned out. |
Yeah, because the bitterly anti-American beef protests a few years back never happened. And the sky-high tariffs on American cars. Fuggetaboutit. |
Protests weren't government sponsored. Also, the FTA will take care of the car tariffs. And the US allowed markets they were trying to develop to put up protectionist tariffs. It is only recently the US has asked for it to be removed, seeing that SK has developed as well has they have.
Also, there a silent majority that do have favorable opinions of the US. We just the the protests of the very very vocal left. The Korean government is pro-American, even when the left was in power, they mostly towed the American line. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| Smithington wrote: |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
| Now I don't personally care wether Korea is innovative or not. But it pis*es me off that I and others experience a wall of arrogant xenophobia from a people who logically should be more grateful and friendly to the outside world. |
How is S. Korea not grateful? SK is a textbook example of how to turn a basketcase into a pretty solid US ally, and a trading partner. They roll out the red carpet anytime the US president visits. And in the past severely repressed anti-Americanism. The Korean government is probably the 3nd most pro-American government in Asia (behind Japan and the Philippines).
Essentially everything the US wanted SK to be has turned out. |
Yeah, because the bitterly anti-American beef protests a few years back never happened. And the sky-high tariffs on American cars. Fuggetaboutit. |
Protests weren't government sponsored. Also, the FTA will take care of the car tariffs. And the US allowed markets they were trying to develop to put up protectionist tariffs. It is only recently the US has asked for it to be removed, seeing that SK has developed as well has they have.
Also, there a silent majority that do have favorable opinions of the US. We just the the protests of the very very vocal left. The Korean government is pro-American, even when the left was in power, they mostly towed the American line. |
But Korea isn't complying with the FTA. That's why the US is barring them from the TPP. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| The interesting thing is Korea is responsible for much of the materials, manufacturing techniques, and skilled-labor that goes into your iPhone. Where are those parts being made? Samsung! |
Yes, the chaebols and government have and are investing in improving manufacturing techniques for the parts they make, for example, better smartphone screens. This is the incremental innovation Korea is capable of.
But these parts are basically just commodities, so not nearly as interesting as you claim. As for skilled labor, not so much. Easily trainable to do repetitive tasks would be a better description. |
More biased Korea-hate.
So basically the US can't make the parts as well (they need Germany, Japan and Korea), they can't assemble it as cheap (they need China), all they do is invention.
But each year invention increases in Asia relative to the US (China has increasing count of scientists, and increasing count of patents filed). Soon the US will be surpassed there too, then what will they do? Leech off Asia? Beg for handouts? |
Not hate, just fact.
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| The United States of America is the world's largest national economy.[22] The United States' GDP was estimated to be $17.311 trillion as of Q2 2014,[23] approximately a quarter of nominal global GDP.[24][25] Its GDP at purchasing power parity is also the largest of any country in the world, approximately 16% of the global total.[26] The U.S. dollar is the currency most used in international transactions and is the world's foremost reserve currency.[27] Several countries use it as their official currency, and in many others it is the de facto currency.[28] The United States has a mixed economy[29][30] and has maintained a stable overall GDP growth rate, a moderate unemployment rate, and high levels of research and capital investment.[31] Its six largest trading partners are Canada, China, Mexico, Japan, Germany, and South Korea.[32] |
No need to leech. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| KimchiNinja's uncanny ability to make other posters become caricatures of themselves without their realizing it continues to amaze me. The scary thing is that while he's trolling, the rest of y'all are serious. |
It's that ninja stick in my hand, nobody seeing it coming, then thwack!! Whoh, what just happened?  |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:58 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| KimchiNinja's uncanny ability to make other posters become caricatures of themselves without their realizing it continues to amaze me. The scary thing is that while he's trolling, the rest of y'all are serious. |
It's just a discussion forum. Is anyone all that serious? It's just something to do between other tasks.
You're overestimating how serious anyone takes KimchiNutjob. If anyone is a caricature, it's that one. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| KimchiNinja's uncanny ability to make other posters become caricatures of themselves without their realizing it continues to amaze me. The scary thing is that while he's trolling, the rest of y'all are serious. |
It's just something to do between other tasks.
You're overestimating how serious anyone takes KimchiNutjob. |
Ahh, too busy with serious english teacher tasks.  |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:05 am Post subject: |
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| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| KimchiNinja's uncanny ability to make other posters become caricatures of themselves without their realizing it continues to amaze me. The scary thing is that while he's trolling, the rest of y'all are serious. |
It's just something to do between other tasks.
You're overestimating how serious anyone takes KimchiNutjob. |
Ahh, too busy with serious english teacher tasks. |
I hate to speak for others, but it's probably teaching Korean women how to sing along with the birds and the bees tasks. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| KimchiNinja's uncanny ability to make other posters become caricatures of themselves without their realizing it continues to amaze me. The scary thing is that while he's trolling, the rest of y'all are serious. |
It's just something to do between other tasks.
You're overestimating how serious anyone takes KimchiNutjob. |
Ahh, too busy with serious english teacher tasks. |
I hate to speak for others, but it's probably teaching Korean women how to sing along with the birds and the bees tasks. |
Depends on the time of day. |
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