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Stan Rogers
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 Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:53 am Post subject: |
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Yea and how many bankers went to jail and paid back all the money for the housing and banking collapses in the U.S.?  |
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jazzmaster
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| Yea and how many bankers went to jail and paid back all the money for the housing and banking collapses in the U.S.? |
The point isn't that the US or other countries are free of greed or corruption. The point is that research has proven that greed and corruption are more prevalent in Korea.
Anyway, I wasted enough time on this site tonight. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| Yea and how many bankers went to jail and paid back all the money for the housing and banking collapses in the U.S.? |
The point isn't that the US or other countries are free of greed or corruption. The point is that research has proven that greed and corruption are more prevalent in Korea.
Anyway, I wasted enough time on this site tonight. |
If one is slightly less terrible than the other, that doesn't really give people from that country a leg to stand on when criticizing another country in a sweeping generalization.
In other words, the statement "This is what happens when you put old Americans (white guys?) in suits in charge of anything. Rampant corruption, cheating, and greed" holds just as much water as your statement, ranking be damned.
I would find such a statement irksome. Same as if you say it against Koreans. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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There is also the question of business culture. One culture's corruption is another culture's way of doing business. Who is determining what constitutes corruption? Is the statistic compiled as a percentage of total population or total amount of corruption? Countries with larger populations would have more cases of corruption so shouldn't they be the ones to clean up their act first before criticising others? Or is the measure based upon total amount of money used in a corrupt way or total percentage of money used corruptly? Or is it percentage of GDP used corruptly? In that case high tax countries would be more corrupt.
These stats that keep getting pulled out are just BS. The fact is that theft goes on everywhere. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
There is also the question of business culture. One culture's corruption is another culture's way of doing business. Who is determining what constitutes corruption? Is the statistic compiled as a percentage of total population or total amount of corruption? Countries with larger populations would have more cases of corruption so shouldn't they be the ones to clean up their act first before criticising others? Or is the measure based upon total amount of money used in a corrupt way or total percentage of money used corruptly? Or is it percentage of GDP used corruptly? In that case high tax countries would be more corrupt.
These stats that keep getting pulled out are just BS. The fact is that theft goes on everywhere. |
There's no pleasing the apologists. If you criticize you've overgeneralizing; if you then provide evidence it's just "BS."
Your questions can be answered easily; the methodology of statistical evidence is included on the websites providing such statistics.
As for the banks you mentioned previously:
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Wall Street banks and their foreign rivals have paid out $100bn in US legal settlements since the financial crisis, according to Financial Times research, with more than half of the penalties extracted in the past year...
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The milestone comes amid signs that banks’ legal costs could rise further, with a number of large banks still under investigation by the task force set up by Barack Obama in 2012 and the political backlash still under way.
During stress tests last week, the Federal Reserve found that the biggest banks could still face a further $151bn bill for operational risk, repurchasing soured mortgage bonds and dealing with the falling value of buildings they own. |
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/802ae15c-9b50-11e3-946b-00144feab7de.html#axzz3GvBY4ABO
But I guess that's BS or just a drop in the bucket. |
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KimchiNinja
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
| The point isn't that the US or other countries are free of greed or corruption. The point is that research has proven that greed and corruption are more prevalent in Korea. |
Says some Western research, done with a Western definition of corruption? |
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atwood
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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So, maybe Korea isn't the culprit in Tesco's murmurs of withdrawing from Korea. |
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crescent
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| Says some Western research, done with a Western definition of corruption? |
It must be thrilling for you to think you are so clever. |
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tophatcat
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| Yea and how many bankers went to jail and paid back all the money for the housing and banking collapses in the U.S.? |
The point isn't that the US or other countries are free of greed or corruption. The point is that research has proven that greed and corruption are more prevalent in Korea.
Anyway, I wasted enough time on this site tonight. |
If one is slightly less terrible than the other, that doesn't really give people from that country a leg to stand on when criticizing another country in a sweeping generalization.
In other words, the statement "This is what happens when you put old Americans (white guys?) in suits in charge of anything. Rampant corruption, cheating, and greed" holds just as much water as your statement, ranking be damned.
I would find such a statement irksome. Same as if you say it against Koreans. |
So if one is "slightly less terrible than the other" that doesn't qualify? Yet, you consistently point to things happening in other countries as a defense for your comments. It seems to be the basis for your arguments 99% of the time. Can you define hypocrite? |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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So if one is "slightly less terrible than the other" that doesn't qualify? Yet, you consistently point to things happening in other countries as a defense for your comments. It seems to be the basis for your arguments 99% of the time. Can you define hypocrite? |
It's different in defense than attack. The point in comparing two countries in defense is to show how people are similar and one group of people is no better than another. The point in comparing two countries in attack is to show they are different and one group of people are better than the other. It is also done to draw a parallel to a phenomenon back home that the person, in their froth and foam filled anger and sense of self-righteousness, failed to consider when posting their borderline bigoted rant. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| tophatcat wrote: |
So if one is "slightly less terrible than the other" that doesn't qualify? Yet, you consistently point to things happening in other countries as a defense for your comments. It seems to be the basis for your arguments 99% of the time. Can you define hypocrite? |
It's different in defense than attack. The point in comparing two countries in defense is to show how people are similar and one group of people is no better than another. The point in comparing two countries in attack is to show they are different and one group of people are better than the other. It is also done to draw a parallel to a phenomenon back home that the person, in their froth and foam filled anger and sense of self-righteousness, failed to consider when posting their borderline bigoted rant. |
Nah. The comparisons are an attempt to sweep problems under the rug by employing the axiom that no place is perfect. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| tophatcat wrote: |
So if one is "slightly less terrible than the other" that doesn't qualify? Yet, you consistently point to things happening in other countries as a defense for your comments. It seems to be the basis for your arguments 99% of the time. Can you define hypocrite? |
It's different in defense than attack. The point in comparing two countries in defense is to show how people are similar and one group of people is no better than another. The point in comparing two countries in attack is to show they are different and one group of people are better than the other. It is also done to draw a parallel to a phenomenon back home that the person, in their froth and foam filled anger and sense of self-righteousness, failed to consider when posting their borderline bigoted rant. |
Nah. The comparisons are an attempt to sweep problems under the rug by employing the axiom that no place is perfect. |
That would be true if we were actually solving problems here. But people doing these things are often doing it to put Korea down in order to make themselves feel better in order to compensate for some personal failure in their own life. Also these complainers would complain no matter what course of action Korea takes.
You can see the difference in how some people raise issues vs. bashing. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| tophatcat wrote: |
So if one is "slightly less terrible than the other" that doesn't qualify? Yet, you consistently point to things happening in other countries as a defense for your comments. It seems to be the basis for your arguments 99% of the time. Can you define hypocrite? |
It's different in defense than attack. The point in comparing two countries in defense is to show how people are similar and one group of people is no better than another. The point in comparing two countries in attack is to show they are different and one group of people are better than the other. It is also done to draw a parallel to a phenomenon back home that the person, in their froth and foam filled anger and sense of self-righteousness, failed to consider when posting their borderline bigoted rant. |
Nah. The comparisons are an attempt to sweep problems under the rug by employing the axiom that no place is perfect. |
That would be true if we were actually solving problems here. But people doing these things are often doing it to put Korea down in order to make themselves feel better in order to compensate for some personal failure in their own life. Also these complainers would complain no matter what course of action Korea takes.
You can see the difference in how some people raise issues vs. bashing. |
Maybe, but the first step to solving a problem is admitting you have a problem. To do that you need to see the problem and when it comes to that, many in Korea need to remove the scales from their eyes.
As for the psycho-babble, the same could be said regarding your reasons for so assiduously defending Korea, not to mention your need to state an unequivocal opinion on everything from sweat socks to soda pop. |
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tophatcat
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| tophatcat wrote: |
So if one is "slightly less terrible than the other" that doesn't qualify? Yet, you consistently point to things happening in other countries as a defense for your comments. It seems to be the basis for your arguments 99% of the time. Can you define hypocrite? |
It's different in defense than attack. The point in comparing two countries in defense is to show how people are similar and one group of people is no better than another. The point in comparing two countries in attack is to show they are different and one group of people are better than the other. It is also done to draw a parallel to a phenomenon back home that the person, in their froth and foam filled anger and sense of self-righteousness, failed to consider when posting their borderline bigoted rant. |
BS! You sound like a 6 year old kid claiming you saw the toy first so it's okay that you snatched it from the other kid's hands.
Typical spoiled little adjjushi mentality. |
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