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Died By Bear



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:49 pm    Post subject: School me on reincarnation Reply with quote

I have a specific question about reincarnation.

I'm just going to state the question, then give you an example so there's no misunderstanding.


Question: Is it possible that the soul reincarnates in different timelines?

Example: John dies at age 52 of heart failure in 2014. His soul is reborn into another vessel in the past (1901) as opposed to the future.

So IF you believe in reincarnation, and have an opinion on this, I'd like to hear it.
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northway



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time is a flat circle.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A: School me on reincarnation
B: Come again?
A: Yes that's the one, reincarnation Laughing
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schwa



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theres no reason to be sure that this world we know & its linear time must be the only staging ground for a life. Or that we're limited to one shot at it.

Who are we to deny infinite other possibilities?
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The Cosmic Hum



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
Theres no reason to be sure that this world we know & its linear time must be the only staging ground for a life. Or that we're limited to one shot at it.

Who are we to deny infinite other possibilities?

Says the guy with the reincarnating avatar.
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Scorpion



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL. University graduates believing in reincarnation. What did some of your graduate in? Gullibility Studies? Scientific Ignorance Studies? New Age Buffonery? Honestly, there is no evidence the soul exists. Everything we are is located in our brain. The brain dies, you die. Same with the chicken you had at lunch and the cow you had for dinner on Tuesday. You are not being reincarnated into jack.

At one point in time there was a human bottleneck when the human population had fallen to less than 10,000 (yes, we almost went extinct). Now it's over six million of us. Where did all these extra souls come from? They couldn't have come from those 10,000 now, could they?

Reincarnation is a religious concept. Little different than eating Jesus' blood to live again, or dying for Allah to get them there virgins. It's all about the universal human anxiety about death and non-existence, and the injustice of life. "There has to be a second go at this. This can't be the end. If the universe is just we'll have a second chance. Maybe a third."

Well kiddies, the universe owes you diddly squat. It owed diddly to the lamb in your kebab in Itaewon last night, or the crab in your spaghetti on Wednesday, and it owes squat to you. Grow up. You were in a state on non-existence for billions of years before you were born. You will return to that soon, as will I. For all eternity. (Sorry for having to be the adult in the room.)

Get educated, learn to discern reality from wishful thinking and fantasy, and grow up.

You are 96% chimpanzee. You have parts of your anatomy dating back from when you were a fish. Far from being fallen angels, or reflections of the divine, both you and I have the lowliest of origins. You are not the universe's special little project. You are a primate. Nothing more.

Silly rabbit.
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schwa



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, my mistake. Life is meaningless & then it ends. Thanks for clarifying that, Scorpion. I must have missed that in university.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scorpion wrote:
LOL. University graduates believing in reincarnation. What did some of your graduate in? Gullibility Studies? Scientific Ignorance Studies? New Age Buffonery? Honestly, there is no evidence the soul exists. Everything we are is located in our brain. The brain dies, you die. Same with the chicken you had at lunch and the cow you had for dinner on Tuesday. You are not being reincarnated into jack.

At one point in time there was a human bottleneck when the human population had fallen to less than 10,000 (yes, we almost went extinct). Now it's over six million of us. Where did all these extra souls come from? They couldn't have come from those 10,000 now, could they?

Reincarnation is a religious concept. Little different than eating Jesus' blood to live again, or dying for Allah to get them there virgins. It's all about the universal human anxiety about death and non-existence, and the injustice of life. "There has to be a second go at this. This can't be the end. If the universe is just we'll have a second chance. Maybe a third."

Well kiddies, the universe owes you diddly squat. It owed diddly to the lamb in your kebab in Itaewon last night, or the crab in your spaghetti on Wednesday, and it owes squat to you. Grow up. You were in a state on non-existence for billions of years before you were born. You will return to that soon, as will I. For all eternity. (Sorry for having to be the adult in the room.)

Get educated, learn to discern reality from wishful thinking and fantasy, and grow up.

You are 96% chimpanzee. You have parts of your anatomy dating back from when you were a fish. Far from being fallen angels, or reflections of the divine, both you and I have the lowliest of origins. You are not the universe's special little project. You are a primate. Nothing more.

Silly rabbit.


We are all made of stardust....
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reincarnation basically means that an individual person essentially stays the same despite undergoing bodily changes not only in this life but also in future and past lives.

The concept of person (i.e. atma) includes gross (body) and subtle (mind) material identities as well as transcendent non-material identity that can be realized through a devotional process (i.e. bhakti yoga) that links to fully self-realized souls (i.e. mahatmas) associated with and canvassing on behalf of the Supreme Person...

There's a bunch of videos on the topic here: http://www.radha.name/video/reincarnation-past-lives-nde

Here's an article from a more modern scientific perspective: http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/10/29/science-now-proves-reincarnation-a-look-at-the-souls-journey-after-death/

There is no hard proof for the ideological position that the brain is the source of consciousness - correlation (of different bodily functions to parts of the brain) doesn't prove causation...

This neurosurgeon claims to have journeyed to "Heaven" when his brain was evidently shut down during a coma... http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/books/dr-eben-alexanders-tells-of-near-death-in-proof-of-heaven.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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Died By Bear



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher, I read that book in the last link, Proof of Heaven. He tells us one really interesting thing that happened in his book. After he dies and goes through a series of events, he's greeted by a blonde woman spirit. The author was adopted - he never met any of his siblings. After he comes out of his coma or is revived, someone helps him trace his roots and he is given a photo of his sister who he'd never met. The woman in the photo was the same woman spirit that greeted him when he died.


Is it safe to say that we've all met folks, some of them who were even very young, who are "old souls"?

It's also pretty common to run across folks who are pretty obviously on their first spin off the wheel.



Perhaps timelines and reincarnation also crosses over into other dimensions.

It would settle the question of how there can be enough souls to go around, since the population is usually increasing.
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PeteJB



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
We are all made of stardust....


In Valens name..
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Lucas



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Theres no reason to be sure that this world we know & its linear time must be the only staging ground for a life. Or that we're limited to one shot at it.

Who are we to deny infinite other possibilities?


I guess as you become older, you become more 'open minded' (hopeful) about these kinda things. Twisted Evil
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Smithington



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing wrong with having an open mind, so long as its not open so far your brain falls out. Learn the difference between something being hypothetically "possible" and it being "likely." From what we have learned about the world, and ourselves, over the past century reincarnation (or any other form of after-death consciousness) is unlikely in the extreme.

It's "possible" that if I look out my window after posting this I'll see a purple monkey fly past. Is it possible? Yes. It being "likely" is a different matter altogether.

Logic 101.

Enough with this bronze-age nonsense.
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, we'll either remember this life after we die or we won't. According to Vedic philosophy, our consciousness exists forever, but we living entities who have by chance fallen into material existence tend to forget our real identity and past lives due to mis-identifying ourselves with our material bodily situation upon experiencing the shock of being reborn. Scientific studies indicate that even the relatively very few individuals who evidently can remember their previous life gradually lose such remembrances by age 5 or 6 as they become socialized. The Vedic account is that we generally remember our past lives only while we our within the womb, and we forget them after the birth trauma ... http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org/canto3/chapter31.html
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Smithington



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
Well, we'll either remember this life after we die or we won't. According to Vedic philosophy, our consciousness exists forever, but we living entities who have by chance fallen into material existence tend to forget our real identity and past lives due to mis-identifying ourselves with our material bodily situation upon experiencing the shock of being reborn. Scientific studies indicate that even the relatively very few individuals who evidently can remember their previous life gradually lose such remembrances by age 5 or 6 as they become socialized. The Vedic account is that we generally remember our past lives only while we our within the womb, and we forget them after the birth trauma ... http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org/canto3/chapter31.html


LOL. Vedic philosophy is hardly science, now is it? (Your reference to "scientific studies" is just laughable.) Anyone can make crap up, attach the label of 'philosophy' to it, and parade it about as something worthy of respect.
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