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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
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I haven't got around to watching it yet but I've heard it's pretty good.
Can you explain the Japanese anthem situation? |
They have a Japanese member of the 'G11' and so they played the anthem in the first episode and were heavily rebuked. Then in the last episode they had a Japanese guy replace the other guy and again played the anthem.
The anthem is currently the official anthem of Japan and I believe it was first used as their anthem in 1868. However, during WWII they forced Koreans and Chinese in their empire to learn it and as you can imagine it wasn't a polite request.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2014/10/511_167137.html |
I wonder if they have played the other national anthems for the various countries on this program before. If so, then this is just petty anger generated by those Ilbae netizens. They played a snippet of the anthem for the Japanese guy. It wasn't like they played it as the intro or outro of the program. |
The Koreans liken it to playing the Nazi anthem, but I don't think you can make that comparison.
The Kimigayo has been in use as the national anthem both formally and informally since 1868. Nazi Germany had two anthems, the Horst-Wessel and the famous Deutschland. Whilst the Horst-Wessel was abolished, they still use the Deutschland although the lyrics use a different stanza to the one that was used by the Nazis.
It is a bit silly really as the original British anthem had a stanza that talked about crushing rebellious Scots. However, it was dropped and now the anthem represents an entirely different country. In the same way the Kimgayo represents a Japan that is completely different to that of Imperial Japan. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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I've never understood why a few of the foreigners and Gyopo, feel that if someone doesn't try to learn Korean it is such a horrible thing. Sure it's good to be able to use the language but many here don't have much interest in learning it, or at least at any level of fluency.
An ego stroker for some of the foreigners who do study it.
Gyopo wanting to puff around like a little Adjusi imposing and harassing misery on others. |
If you're here for a year or two sure, but there are lifers here and even some married to Koreans who don't know anything beyond "annyeonghaseyo" and "kamsahamnida"
I would think it would benefit these people to learn the language so they are not being guided around and needing their hand held for every little thing that doesn't involve English.
If their feelings are hurt when people call them out on it, then too bad. Truth hurts. |
I've been here since 2003, with a Korean spouse. I can go beyond a simple hello and a good-bye.
You are building a strawman with the people who don't learn Korean must have their hand held rubbish. I do very well going about with a minimum use of the Korean language.
Calling people out on it doesn't make it the truth. Rubbish. Gyopo Little Adju Talk. I know it when I see (hear) it.
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:48 am Post subject: |
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Not knowing even survival Korean when I lived there was about the only way of ensuring my wife did her fair share of the chores. Since we've moved, I've been doing the lot.  |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| Optik is right. It's all about motivation. Those who really want to learn it will study it and try to improve. If it's not a high priority to you, then you won't. Whether it's good or bad is another debate. It depends on how long you want to stay here. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:23 am Post subject: |
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I've never understood why a few of the foreigners and Gyopo, feel that if someone doesn't try to learn Korean it is such a horrible thing. Sure it's good to be able to use the language but many here don't have much interest in learning it, or at least at any level of fluency.
An ego stroker for some of the foreigners who do study it.
Gyopo wanting to puff around like a little Adjusi imposing and harassing misery on others. |
If you're here for a year or two sure, but there are lifers here and even some married to Koreans who don't know anything beyond "annyeonghaseyo" and "kamsahamnida"
I would think it would benefit these people to learn the language so they are not being guided around and needing their hand held for every little thing that doesn't involve English.
If their feelings are hurt when people call them out on it, then too bad. Truth hurts. |
I've been here since 2003, with a Korean spouse. I can go beyond a simple hello and a good-bye.
You are building a strawman with the people who don't learn Korean must have their hand held rubbish. I do very well going about with a minimum use of the Korean language.
Calling people out on it doesn't make it the truth. Rubbish. Gyopo Little Adju Talk. I know it when I see (hear) it.
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Wooden nickels, if your spouse is cool with it, then that's all that matters really. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:35 am Post subject: |
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I've never understood why a few of the foreigners and Gyopo, feel that if someone doesn't try to learn Korean it is such a horrible thing. Sure it's good to be able to use the language but many here don't have much interest in learning it, or at least at any level of fluency.
An ego stroker for some of the foreigners who do study it.
Gyopo wanting to puff around like a little Adjusi imposing and harassing misery on others. |
If you're here for a year or two sure, but there are lifers here and even some married to Koreans who don't know anything beyond "annyeonghaseyo" and "kamsahamnida"
I would think it would benefit these people to learn the language so they are not being guided around and needing their hand held for every little thing that doesn't involve English.
If their feelings are hurt when people call them out on it, then too bad. Truth hurts. |
I've been here since 2003, with a Korean spouse. I can go beyond a simple hello and a good-bye.
You are building a strawman with the people who don't learn Korean must have their hand held rubbish. I do very well going about with a minimum use of the Korean language.
Calling people out on it doesn't make it the truth. Rubbish. Gyopo Little Adju Talk. I know it when I see (hear) it.
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Wooden nickels, if your spouse is cool with it, then that's all that matters really. |
Thanks, Stain.
My wife is a fluent English speaker and is fine with it. All the Korean relatives and friends seem to be fine with it. A few times I've been asked if I studied Korean, but they all basically say there really isn't any need to know more than some basics because I can do most everything I need to do here in English anyway. My wife's parents speak almost no English but they always are happy to see us when we visit them a couple of times each month.
The problem I have with the learning Korean issue is that some try to push it on others and call them losers are lazy if they don't. |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:00 am Post subject: |
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Tomato....where are you? This thread is calling your name.
Totally agree that pretty much anybody working full time in hagwon teaching English isn't really going anywhere...you gotta take time off to study..to be able to really speak...and when I say speak I don't mean have a small conversation about how long you've been here and your favourite Korean food, I mean where one can speak extensively for more than 30 minutes at a time..maybe thoroughly explain the movie 제보자 or something...or compose a long email without it being on par with a Korean high school English essay.. |
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3DR
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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I've never understood why a few of the foreigners and Gyopo, feel that if someone doesn't try to learn Korean it is such a horrible thing. Sure it's good to be able to use the language but many here don't have much interest in learning it, or at least at any level of fluency.
An ego stroker for some of the foreigners who do study it.
Gyopo wanting to puff around like a little Adjusi imposing and harassing misery on others. |
If you're here for a year or two sure, but there are lifers here and even some married to Koreans who don't know anything beyond "annyeonghaseyo" and "kamsahamnida"
I would think it would benefit these people to learn the language so they are not being guided around and needing their hand held for every little thing that doesn't involve English.
If their feelings are hurt when people call them out on it, then too bad. Truth hurts. |
I've been here since 2003, with a Korean spouse. I can go beyond a simple hello and a good-bye.
You are building a strawman with the people who don't learn Korean must have their hand held rubbish. I do very well going about with a minimum use of the Korean language.
Calling people out on it doesn't make it the truth. Rubbish. Gyopo Little Adju Talk. I know it when I see (hear) it.
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Like I said, truth hurts. If someone (not you obviously) has been here for 10 years, and still can't have basic conversations or even do minimum things in Korean, it's pitiful. And if they are married, it's quite disrespectful to their partner and family. How one can go years and years being okay with not having conversations more than "hello" and "how's the weather" with their in laws baffles me.
Also, what if there's an emergency on the street with your family and no one is around who speaks English?
If the spouse and family are okay with it either 1. They are the rare exception or 2. They are lying to not hurt your feelings and make you feel bad |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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I've never understood why a few of the foreigners and Gyopo, feel that if someone doesn't try to learn Korean it is such a horrible thing. Sure it's good to be able to use the language but many here don't have much interest in learning it, or at least at any level of fluency.
An ego stroker for some of the foreigners who do study it.
Gyopo wanting to puff around like a little Adjusi imposing and harassing misery on others. |
If you're here for a year or two sure, but there are lifers here and even some married to Koreans who don't know anything beyond "annyeonghaseyo" and "kamsahamnida"
I would think it would benefit these people to learn the language so they are not being guided around and needing their hand held for every little thing that doesn't involve English.
If their feelings are hurt when people call them out on it, then too bad. Truth hurts. |
I've been here since 2003, with a Korean spouse. I can go beyond a simple hello and a good-bye.
You are building a strawman with the people who don't learn Korean must have their hand held rubbish. I do very well going about with a minimum use of the Korean language.
Calling people out on it doesn't make it the truth. Rubbish. Gyopo Little Adju Talk. I know it when I see (hear) it.
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Like I said, truth hurts. If someone (not you obviously) has been here for 10 years, and still can't have basic conversations or even do minimum things in Korean, it's pitiful. And if they are married, it's quite disrespectful to their partner and family. How one can go years and years being okay with not having conversations more than "hello" and "how's the weather" with their in laws baffles me.
Also, what if there's an emergency on the street with your family and no one is around who speaks English?
If the spouse and family are okay with it either 1. They are the rare exception or 2. They are lying to not hurt your feelings and make you feel bad |
The old must get down on knees and bow routine? How about people having some respect for some of my wants. My wife and I decided not to have an elder son and a daughter. Some could argue that that is being disrepectful to her parents. But, we are happy with the situation. We aren't doing things the same way everyone, or most everyone, in Korea are doing things. We are very happy having time to run our school, take vacations, and pursue our hobbies. No, Thanks. I don't want to spend 5, 10, 15 hours a week learning a 3rd language.
People can do minimum things in Korea without being at a higher level in the language.
You are baffled because everyone doesn't take on a burden that you think is best for them.
What if there's an emergency in the street? That's just another scenario. What if I don't learn how to fly an airplane and there is an emergency in the plane on a trip to Europe and there isn't anyone on board to fly the plane. |
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3DR
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| wooden nickels wrote: |
| 3DR wrote: |
| wooden nickels wrote: |
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I've never understood why a few of the foreigners and Gyopo, feel that if someone doesn't try to learn Korean it is such a horrible thing. Sure it's good to be able to use the language but many here don't have much interest in learning it, or at least at any level of fluency.
An ego stroker for some of the foreigners who do study it.
Gyopo wanting to puff around like a little Adjusi imposing and harassing misery on others. |
If you're here for a year or two sure, but there are lifers here and even some married to Koreans who don't know anything beyond "annyeonghaseyo" and "kamsahamnida"
I would think it would benefit these people to learn the language so they are not being guided around and needing their hand held for every little thing that doesn't involve English.
If their feelings are hurt when people call them out on it, then too bad. Truth hurts. |
I've been here since 2003, with a Korean spouse. I can go beyond a simple hello and a good-bye.
You are building a strawman with the people who don't learn Korean must have their hand held rubbish. I do very well going about with a minimum use of the Korean language.
Calling people out on it doesn't make it the truth. Rubbish. Gyopo Little Adju Talk. I know it when I see (hear) it.
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Like I said, truth hurts. If someone (not you obviously) has been here for 10 years, and still can't have basic conversations or even do minimum things in Korean, it's pitiful. And if they are married, it's quite disrespectful to their partner and family. How one can go years and years being okay with not having conversations more than "hello" and "how's the weather" with their in laws baffles me.
Also, what if there's an emergency on the street with your family and no one is around who speaks English?
If the spouse and family are okay with it either 1. They are the rare exception or 2. They are lying to not hurt your feelings and make you feel bad |
The old must get down on knees and bow routine? How about people having some respect for some of my wants. My wife and I decided not to have an elder son and a daughter. Some could argue that that is being disrepectful to her parents. But, we are happy with the situation. We aren't doing things the same way everyone, or most everyone, in Korea are doing things. We are very happy having time to run our school, take vacations, and pursue our hobbies. No, Thanks. I don't want to spend 5, 10, 15 hours a week learning a 3rd language.
People can do minimum things in Korea without being at a higher level in the language.
You are baffled because everyone doesn't take on a burden that you think is best for them.
What if there's an emergency in the street? That's just another scenario. What if I don't learn how to fly an airplane and there is an emergency in the plane on a trip to Europe and there isn't anyone on board to fly the plane. |
I'm just stating my opinion. It's fine if you and your wife think it's okay for you to not know her native tongue. Good for you guys. I'm not sure why you are getting upset. I specifically said I wasn't talking about you. Obviously you know enough to do basic things and communicate with your wife's parents. Nowhere did I claim that one should become fluent.
My target has always been the lifers who have been here for years but still can't order food, pay a bill without help, communicate in basics with in laws, etc. And yes, that is embarrassing.
Your last point is just an extreme hyperbolic point in an attempt to mask the feeling that what you know I wrote is true. Your example is very different from every day real life situations that happen. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| 3DR wrote: |
| wooden nickels wrote: |
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I've never understood why a few of the foreigners and Gyopo, feel that if someone doesn't try to learn Korean it is such a horrible thing. Sure it's good to be able to use the language but many here don't have much interest in learning it, or at least at any level of fluency.
An ego stroker for some of the foreigners who do study it.
Gyopo wanting to puff around like a little Adjusi imposing and harassing misery on others. |
If you're here for a year or two sure, but there are lifers here and even some married to Koreans who don't know anything beyond "annyeonghaseyo" and "kamsahamnida"
I would think it would benefit these people to learn the language so they are not being guided around and needing their hand held for every little thing that doesn't involve English.
If their feelings are hurt when people call them out on it, then too bad. Truth hurts. |
I've been here since 2003, with a Korean spouse. I can go beyond a simple hello and a good-bye.
You are building a strawman with the people who don't learn Korean must have their hand held rubbish. I do very well going about with a minimum use of the Korean language.
Calling people out on it doesn't make it the truth. Rubbish. Gyopo Little Adju Talk. I know it when I see (hear) it.
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Like I said, truth hurts. If someone (not you obviously) has been here for 10 years, and still can't have basic conversations or even do minimum things in Korean, it's pitiful. And if they are married, it's quite disrespectful to their partner and family. How one can go years and years being okay with not having conversations more than "hello" and "how's the weather" with their in laws baffles me.
Also, what if there's an emergency on the street with your family and no one is around who speaks English?
If the spouse and family are okay with it either 1. They are the rare exception or 2. They are lying to not hurt your feelings and make you feel bad |
The old must get down on knees and bow routine? How about people having some respect for some of my wants. My wife and I decided not to have an elder son and a daughter. Some could argue that that is being disrepectful to her parents. But, we are happy with the situation. We aren't doing things the same way everyone, or most everyone, in Korea are doing things. We are very happy having time to run our school, take vacations, and pursue our hobbies. No, Thanks. I don't want to spend 5, 10, 15 hours a week learning a 3rd language.
People can do minimum things in Korea without being at a higher level in the language.
You are baffled because everyone doesn't take on a burden that you think is best for them.
What if there's an emergency in the street? That's just another scenario. What if I don't learn how to fly an airplane and there is an emergency in the plane on a trip to Europe and there isn't anyone on board to fly the plane. |
I'm just stating my opinion. It's fine if you and your wife think it's okay for you to not know her native tongue. Good for you guys. I'm not sure why you are getting upset. I specifically said I wasn't talking about you. Obviously you know enough to do basic things and communicate with your wife's parents. Nowhere did I claim that one should become fluent.
My target has always been the lifers who have been here for years but still can't order food, pay a bill without help, communicate in basics with in laws, etc. And yes, that is embarrassing.
Your last point is just an extreme hyperbolic point in an attempt to mask the feeling that what you know I wrote is true. Your example is very different from every day real life situations that happen. |
This isn't the Joseon Dynasty. |
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3DR
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| wooden nickels wrote: |
| 3DR wrote: |
| wooden nickels wrote: |
| 3DR wrote: |
| wooden nickels wrote: |
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I've never understood why a few of the foreigners and Gyopo, feel that if someone doesn't try to learn Korean it is such a horrible thing. Sure it's good to be able to use the language but many here don't have much interest in learning it, or at least at any level of fluency.
An ego stroker for some of the foreigners who do study it.
Gyopo wanting to puff around like a little Adjusi imposing and harassing misery on others. |
If you're here for a year or two sure, but there are lifers here and even some married to Koreans who don't know anything beyond "annyeonghaseyo" and "kamsahamnida"
I would think it would benefit these people to learn the language so they are not being guided around and needing their hand held for every little thing that doesn't involve English.
If their feelings are hurt when people call them out on it, then too bad. Truth hurts. |
I've been here since 2003, with a Korean spouse. I can go beyond a simple hello and a good-bye.
You are building a strawman with the people who don't learn Korean must have their hand held rubbish. I do very well going about with a minimum use of the Korean language.
Calling people out on it doesn't make it the truth. Rubbish. Gyopo Little Adju Talk. I know it when I see (hear) it.
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Like I said, truth hurts. If someone (not you obviously) has been here for 10 years, and still can't have basic conversations or even do minimum things in Korean, it's pitiful. And if they are married, it's quite disrespectful to their partner and family. How one can go years and years being okay with not having conversations more than "hello" and "how's the weather" with their in laws baffles me.
Also, what if there's an emergency on the street with your family and no one is around who speaks English?
If the spouse and family are okay with it either 1. They are the rare exception or 2. They are lying to not hurt your feelings and make you feel bad |
The old must get down on knees and bow routine? How about people having some respect for some of my wants. My wife and I decided not to have an elder son and a daughter. Some could argue that that is being disrepectful to her parents. But, we are happy with the situation. We aren't doing things the same way everyone, or most everyone, in Korea are doing things. We are very happy having time to run our school, take vacations, and pursue our hobbies. No, Thanks. I don't want to spend 5, 10, 15 hours a week learning a 3rd language.
People can do minimum things in Korea without being at a higher level in the language.
You are baffled because everyone doesn't take on a burden that you think is best for them.
What if there's an emergency in the street? That's just another scenario. What if I don't learn how to fly an airplane and there is an emergency in the plane on a trip to Europe and there isn't anyone on board to fly the plane. |
I'm just stating my opinion. It's fine if you and your wife think it's okay for you to not know her native tongue. Good for you guys. I'm not sure why you are getting upset. I specifically said I wasn't talking about you. Obviously you know enough to do basic things and communicate with your wife's parents. Nowhere did I claim that one should become fluent.
My target has always been the lifers who have been here for years but still can't order food, pay a bill without help, communicate in basics with in laws, etc. And yes, that is embarrassing.
Your last point is just an extreme hyperbolic point in an attempt to mask the feeling that what you know I wrote is true. Your example is very different from every day real life situations that happen. |
This isn't the Joseon Dynasty. |
Thanks for clearing that up for me. |
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JFP2020
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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One can study Korean while working as an English teacher, but you are clearly at a big disadvantage as a learner if you do. Getting beyond an intermediate level of Korean will take most people hours of study every day over the course of several years. This idea that sitting down with a book for 30 minutes every now and then will get you even close to fluency is fantastical.
If the majority of your day is spent working through English it stands to reason that your learning will suffer and/or you will have to sacrifice your time to the point of having little time for anything else. |
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Qonny
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One can study Korean while working as an English teacher, but you are clearly at a big disadvantage as a learner if you do. Getting beyond an intermediate level of Korean will take most people hours of study every day over the course of several years. This idea that sitting down with a book for 30 minutes every now and then will get you even close to fluency is fantastical.
If the majority of your day is spent working through English it stands to reason that your learning will suffer and/or you will have to sacrifice your time to the point of having little time for anything else. |
Don't be so bloody ridiculous. English teachers are just lazy.
3DR and optikballs are right. Who do these hagwon workers who can't speak Korean think they are?
It winds me right up. |
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JFP2020
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| Nah. |
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