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SHGator428
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| No big surprise here. |
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Died By Bear
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Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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atwood
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:28 am Post subject: |
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Another perspective on what? The author is in no way encouraging plagiarism and has even posted on how to combat it. |
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Died By Bear
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
Another perspective on what? The author is in no way encouraging plagiarism and has even posted on how to combat it. |
You're right, sorry. |
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Cave Dweller
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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Absolutely correct, he who has been pwned by Kimchi Ninja.
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| This is why Korean research and university degrees are considered worthless in other countries. It also highlights the inability to be truly innovative among many Koreans. |
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UseAsDirected
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: Culture of academic fraud pervasive in SNU |
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This article would be meaningful if it compared the survey results of those students at oh, say, Princeton and Imperial College, for example.
I hold a graduate degree at Seoul National, was a graduate research assistant in a lab -- I have a little experience about this -- and I think this article is accurate. Undergraduate plagiarism and fraudulent effort is so common it smacks acceptable tastes. There is always room for improvement. This article covers the undergraduate. Graduate fraud is much harder to execute as I witnessed first hand by crying postgraduates who were delayed graduation semester by semester. When I was a teaching assistant for the department I observed some really wanky shit by the undergraduates. Almost with impunity. The students work so hard yet do not realize that they can be unethical. I think it is because Korean students have no experience in research of any kind. They don't get it. "Creating a research problem that doesn't exist," they think. Research practice is neither picked up in high school nor in college unless the undergraduate joins a lab, but many don't at all.
But, there is a silver lining. Some professors work hard to exact change. A professor with whom I TA'd was vigilant about plagiarism. He took the time to explain what plagiarism means, provided examples, and taught about research. They learned research methods. The students reacted. They cited sources, they made a bibliography, they provided all calculations and data. They scratched out, they did not erase or tear out. It worked.
It was still very hard to get students to purchase textbooks. There is still a strong culture of buying illegal copies of books at a fraction of the cost. Korea Times should write about that. That, too, infuriates bibliophiles.
They should have interviewed the professors there who are sick and tired of being sick and tired. |
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UseAsDirected
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: Re: Culture of academic fraud pervasive in SNU |
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| I can even tell a story or two about what happened when the Seoul National postgraduates and postdocs had to transition to the BK-21 international standard environment... |
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