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Abnormal Summit (비정상회담)
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3DR



Joined: 24 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JFP2020 wrote:
One can study Korean while working as an English teacher, but you are clearly at a big disadvantage as a learner if you do. Getting beyond an intermediate level of Korean will take most people hours of study every day over the course of several years. This idea that sitting down with a book for 30 minutes every now and then will get you even close to fluency is fantastical.

If the majority of your day is spent working through English it stands to reason that your learning will suffer and/or you will have to sacrifice your time to the point of having little time for anything else.


Lol. Hagwon teachers maybe, but public schools not a chance. With all the desk warming because of test days, field trips, cancelled classes, winter vacation, etc, there is more than enough time to just learn 5 words a day/every other day. Hell if you did that, you would at least get to a basic level within a year.

This is not speaking for the teachers who are completing online school programs or have more than the average class load for a public school teacher.
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jcd



Joined: 13 Mar 2012

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a talk show. If you don't like talk shows at home you wouldn't like this one either. Like talk shows from the US they have to speak up and be funny or witty or insightful. Some of the jokes are funny and some are not. They move on fast to the next joke or subject. It's entertainment, no different from the huge industry many other places. Kudos to anyone who learned enough of Korean to be on the show.
I was super skeptical before I watched it but after I read this forum, I watched it with the English subs, it's interesting. Even if I find some of their questions and ideas idiotic, it's still interesting. It's really hard to speak in general terms about your country and it's people and sound intelligent. It's an art form and people want it so bad. People in the US we love twinkies.
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Lucas



Joined: 11 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does anyone watch Abnormal Summit (비정상회담)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyOlkN2wcWE


The little guy (20 secs into the video) looks strange.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJJ53OWlo58 - imagine if this dog did that to him!
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3DR wrote:
wooden nickels wrote:
3DR wrote:
wooden nickels wrote:
I've never understood why a few of the foreigners and Gyopo, feel that if someone doesn't try to learn Korean it is such a horrible thing. Sure it's good to be able to use the language but many here don't have much interest in learning it, or at least at any level of fluency.

An ego stroker for some of the foreigners who do study it.

Gyopo wanting to puff around like a little Adjusi imposing and harassing misery on others.


If you're here for a year or two sure, but there are lifers here and even some married to Koreans who don't know anything beyond "annyeonghaseyo" and "kamsahamnida"

I would think it would benefit these people to learn the language so they are not being guided around and needing their hand held for every little thing that doesn't involve English.

If their feelings are hurt when people call them out on it, then too bad. Truth hurts.


I've been here since 2003, with a Korean spouse. I can go beyond a simple hello and a good-bye.

You are building a strawman with the people who don't learn Korean must have their hand held rubbish. I do very well going about with a minimum use of the Korean language.

Calling people out on it doesn't make it the truth. Rubbish. Gyopo Little Adju Talk. I know it when I see (hear) it.

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Like I said, truth hurts. If someone (not you obviously) has been here for 10 years, and still can't have basic conversations or even do minimum things in Korean, it's pitiful. And if they are married, it's quite disrespectful to their partner and family. How one can go years and years being okay with not having conversations more than "hello" and "how's the weather" with their in laws baffles me.

Also, what if there's an emergency on the street with your family and no one is around who speaks English?

If the spouse and family are okay with it either 1. They are the rare exception or 2. They are lying to not hurt your feelings and make you feel bad


Pretty judgmental.

Hope you're fine with being judged by others' standards as well.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3DR wrote:

Lol. Hagwon teachers maybe, but public schools not a chance. With all the desk warming because of test days, field trips, cancelled classes, winter vacation, etc, there is more than enough time to just learn 5 words a day/every other day. Hell if you did that, you would at least get to a basic level within a year.


If you work 260 days a year, and can perfectly memorize 5 words a day every other day, that's 130 * 5 = 650 words a year. But perfectly memorizing 5 words every other day isn't necessarily as easy as that given even an exceptional language learner will have an attrition rate, and one which rises the further removed a language is from his native language. My attrition rate for passive understanding is roughly 15%, and it will be higher for active usage (though I do not keep statistics on the latter). So unless you keep using those 650 words again and again and again, you'll forget them. But the more words you know, the more words you have to maintain, and the less common place those words become. And if you never reach advanced proficiency, you'll probably need to actively and consciously work to maintain that vocabulary forever or risk losing it, because you won't be able to engage in casual maintenance like listening to the radio or reading a novel. In return, you'll get almost no pay off, being able to communicate at a level so superficial that your interlocutor would probably be able to understand just as well in English anyway. If "basic level" as you define it is borderline useless (and it is), then why bother?

I think it's worth learning the language to fluency. It will give you deeper access to the people around you, it will help you live more comfortably here, and perhaps most importantly, studies have implied that learning a second language is good for brain health. But, if you aren't interested in learning it to fluency, then it's all pretty much the same. "I've lived here ten years and can't speak Korean," and, "I've lived here ten years and can 'order food, pay a bill without help, communicate in basics with in laws, etc.'," are more or less the same. And if you are going to learn the language to fluency, then working in an English speaking environment will impact your rate of improvement, or at the very least the effort you must put into achieving the same improvement rate.
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postfundie



Joined: 28 May 2004

PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"I've lived here ten years and can't speak Korean," and, "I've lived here ten years and can 'order food, pay a bill without help, communicate in basics with in laws, etc.


agree with everything else in that post, except this part...

If you relatives from back home are here and they see 'speaking' in Korean, paying bills and communicating with your in-laws, then that is much better than sitting there and looking dumb....especially after being here for 10 years and being a 'language' instructor/teacher...or maybe a language dispenser....



seriously, where is Tomato?
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basic69isokay



Joined: 28 Sep 2014
Location: korea

PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

These guys are popular for one simple reason:

They validate Koreans by reinforcing what foreign people should be like--Koreans!!

Metrosexual, submissive, brainwashed, cheesy, etc...

Btw, Ive met a guy like them before. He came here as an exchange student and studied 6hrs/day for his first year. Plus taekwondo. Didn't work. So, of course he speaks Korean well. But viewers think, thats how a foreigner should be! Assimilation ohh yea
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Leon



Joined: 31 May 2010

PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For most it probably doesn't make much sense to learn Korean, especially if you are here for just a year or two. I have learned it/learning it, and it has proven very helpful for my career field back home, but I am still only at the intermediate level. I would say though, there really is no excuse for not at least learning enough to order food in a restaurant or to go shopping. I knew people who had been there longer than I, and I still had to help them order at the kimbab place.
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Lionman



Joined: 13 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently was interviewed at a top graduate school in Seoul. One of the professors seemed to be impressed with my Korean and said, 'Ah, you are like the abnormal summit (비정상회담) guys.' I had not heard of it at the time and asked if it was TV show. He said it was. I then said, 'Oh, I don't watch TV.'

When I later saw these guys on Youtube, I felt quite insulted that someone would put me in the same category as these clowns. They are obviously following a script. Granted they are good at conversational Korean (2 years of living while moderately studying in country to attain that sort of level). One of the guys pronunciation was pretty bad, and they don't seem to have a good handle on the culture. (hence the heavily scripted lines)

They do not seem to have any career aspirations or any goals, just goofing off on TV. The commercials with these guys are even worse.

I am glad to see that they have people from different countries though, not a preference for those of a European background.

I just feel that Korea needs to recognize foreigners for more than just being the token foreigner.
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basic69isokay



Joined: 28 Sep 2014
Location: korea

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lionman wrote:
I recently was interviewed at a top graduate school in Seoul. One of the professors seemed to be impressed with my Korean and said, 'Ah, you are like the abnormal summit (비정상회담) guys.' I had not heard of it at the time and asked if it was TV show. He said it was. I then said, 'Oh, I don't watch TV.'

When I later saw these guys on Youtube, I felt quite insulted that someone would put me in the same category as these clowns. They are obviously following a script. Granted they are good at conversational Korean (2 years of living while moderately studying in country to attain that sort of level). One of the guys pronunciation was pretty bad, and they don't seem to have a good handle on the culture. (hence the heavily scripted lines)

They do not seem to have any career aspirations or any goals, just goofing off on TV. The commercials with these guys are even worse.

I am glad to see that they have people from different countries though, not a preference for those of a European background.

I just feel that Korea needs to recognize foreigners for more than just being the token foreigner.

Those guys were all exchange students/Koreaphiles.
Your average English teacher doesn't really have time to study 7hrs/day at a relatively useless language. Unless you have a trust fund or something. And if you do, choose Chinese for Christ's sake.


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kingplaya4



Joined: 14 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Learning Korean here as an English teacher is like trying to sled uphill. Sure you can grab two sticks and push yourself up, but it isn't easy. They speak English to me all day at work, when I go to the bank, the stationary store, many restaurants, sometimes even convenience stores. The grocery store is one place my Korean seems to be useful. I no longer care to bother with it.
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been here for almost 9 years, and my Korean is absolutely woeful. Saying that, it hasn't really been a hindrance to me. I know enough survival pidgin Korean to meet my needs, and I have managed to use English at other times.
There are no excuses. I never made a concerted effort to learn, and I had plenty of time. Definitely laziness on my behalf, will admit. However, another factor is that I'm simply not interested in devoting the time and effort into learning a bastard hard language in a society I have no interest in assimilating into.
Despite my long time here, I still feel like a temporary visitor. I don't know when I will leave, but I know that I can't stay forever.
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aq8knyus



Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

basic69isokay wrote:


a relatively useless language.

Unless you have a trust fund or something. And if you do, choose Chinese for Christ's sake.


All second languages are equally useless unless you combine it with a skill or live in a country where it is spoken.

Also the rarer the language the more useful it will be for your future. There are countless westerners learning Chinese full time and living in a Chinese speaking country. On top of that there are millions of ethnic Chinese living in western countries and I wouldn't even want to guess the number of Chinese speakers who can hold a conversation in English.
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Mix1



Joined: 08 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
However, another factor is that I'm simply not interested in devoting the time and effort into learning a bastard hard language in a society I have no interest in assimilating into.
Despite my long time here, I still feel like a temporary visitor. I don't know when I will leave, but I know that I can't stay forever.

These are huge factors for learning a language. I think many foreigners in Korea are in this camp too. They could learn more, but they don't because they really don't want to assimilate, and even if they did, they'll never be Korean and in most cases will not treated like one (positives and negatives to that).

Korean culture is not for everyone; not everyone wants to swallow that pill (drink the Kool-Aid?). It takes a certain kind of person to actually want to dive in all the way, which is almost what you have to do to learn the language that well. The guys on that show probably are addicted to the shows, the music, the movies, etc. whereas I lot of foreigners are uninterested with them, which is mostly down to preference.
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metalhead



Joined: 18 May 2010
Location: Toilet

PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mix1 wrote:

Korean culture is not for everyone; not everyone wants to swallow that pill (drink the Kool-Aid?). It takes a certain kind of person to actually want to dive in all the way, which is almost what you have to do to learn the language that well.


While I personally have zero interest in the language as I think it sounds ugly and I don't want those sounds coming out of my mouth, along with the general unfriendliness of Koreans being a deterrent to learning it, it has to be said that someone who is married to a Korean and living in Korea should learn the damn language, otherwise it implies retardation.

Also, everyone should be able to speak at least two languages fluently, otherwise you're just missing out on a slice of the world.
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