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joelove
Joined: 12 May 2011
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 Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:23 pm Post subject: What is violence? |
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Here's another dumb thread by joelove. I'm trying to enter this with an open mind, as if that was possible. Violence is based on the conflict we each have inside, is it not? Did you think you were different from violence? The contradictory desires, the nationalism, the beliefs, all these separative factors, are these emotional and intellectual things different from violence?
Did you think, perhaps, that violence was a thing outside yourself? As I get older, I realize it is not. I never intentionally hurt a person in my life, but I know sometimes the urge exists. I have no one to talk with over these things. Maybe a philosophical forum where people will tell me the nature of self or time. That's all nonsense.
We don't know what violence is. That's obvious. Because we keep killing and being brutal. We never resolve these things that we've been living with for thousands of years. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:09 am Post subject: Re: What is violence? |
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| joelove wrote: |
| Because we keep killing and being brutal. We never resolve these things that we've been living with for thousands of years. |
A) Sapiens are still just a bunch of monkeys; fearful of the unknown, get mad and jump up and down, bang their fists on the ground. Might evolve out of it, to some degree, in a few million years?
B) Also intelligence allows one to calculate the gains from violence. For example a gangster calculates that inflicting damage on some local business owners will cause them to pay a protection fee every month out of fear.
C) And then you have psychopaths, who engage in violence for kicks.
Conclusion -- so yeah I guess it's an internal thing; either emotional, calculated, or for fun. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:06 am Post subject: Re: What is violence? |
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| joelove wrote: |
Here's another dumb thread by joelove. I'm trying to enter this with an open mind, as if that was possible. Violence is based on the conflict we each have inside, is it not? Did you think you were different from violence? The contradictory desires, the nationalism, the beliefs, all these separative factors, are these emotional and intellectual things different from violence?
Did you think, perhaps, that violence was a thing outside yourself? As I get older, I realize it is not. I never intentionally hurt a person in my life, but I know sometimes the urge exists. I have no one to talk with over these things. Maybe a philosophical forum where people will tell me the nature of self or time. That's all nonsense.
We don't know what violence is. That's obvious. Because we keep killing and being brutal. We never resolve these things that we've been living with for thousands of years. |
Violence is necessay and useful.
It is not something to overcome, it is something to learn how to control.
| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| Sapiens are still just a bunch of monkeys |
Humans didn't evolve from monkeys. |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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KimchiNinja wrote:
Sapiens are still just a bunch of monkeys
Humans didn't evolve from monkeys. |
Why have I got such a hairy ass then? |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:20 am Post subject: Re: What is violence? |
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| joelove wrote: |
| Here's another dumb thread by joelove. |
Blood is red, violence is blue
This thread is dumb, and so are you |
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EastisEast
Joined: 29 May 2014
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| And then you have psychopaths, who engage in violence for kicks. |
You don't have to be a psycho to like violence. kids do that all the time, just for the reaction of the pain inflicted.
Sometimes it can be fun to see others pain, sometimes it can be ....sexually..arousing....
Good Post though, Violence should be explored. |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Violence is an argument punctuated by action. In the moment, it is raw. When premeditated, it is cruel. When it is sanctioned by the state, it is a combination of the two and the outcome is rarely short lived. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| Personally, I find violence in any form for any reason abhorrent. Nor would I physically fight back if attacked. I'd sooner die a peaceful person. |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| ....making you a protector of the Dharma. Cool beans... |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:07 am Post subject: |
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| It's like pornography - I know it when I see it. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| schwa wrote: |
| Personally, I find violence in any form for any reason abhorrent. Nor would I physically fight back if attacked. I'd sooner die a peaceful person. |
Sure....in theory.
But then someone like me, on the sideline, can't stand and watch this passive guy getting beaten to death.
What to do? To be honest...I am happy to step in.
Gives me an 'excuse' to kick a bully's ass.
On top of that....I get to keep Schwa on this side of reincarnation.
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Joelove is a 'thinker' aka a lazy 'doer' |
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J Rock
Joined: 17 Jan 2009
Location: The center of the Earth, Suji
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| EastisEast wrote: |
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| And then you have psychopaths, who engage in violence for kicks. |
Sometimes it can be fun to see others pain, sometimes it can be ....sexually..arousing....
Good Post though, Violence should be explored. |
Sexually arousing? I'll never understand those videos on the internet of girls kicking guys in the junk or pouring burning hot candle wax on their nipples.
Call me old fashioned but all a girl has to do to get me aroused is show up. |
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FMPJ
Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| You might want to read William Vollmann's Rising Up and Rising Down, even if only the single-volume edition. In it, he attempts a moral calculus of violence. He's a remarkable writer, too, if that's a factor for you. |
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joelove
Joined: 12 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Lucas"]Joelove is a 'thinker' aka a lazy 'doer'[/quote
Is there anything to do about violence? If there's no peace in yourself then that's it. It's OK, I don't have peace either most of the time. |
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