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atwood
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| Those of you saying that "theft is theft" are nuts. Would you rather come out of the restaurant and find out your car has been stolen from the parking lot, or would you rather be car jacked at the corner while stopped at a red light, pistol whipped, see your girl wife sexually assaulted in the passenger seat and thrown out of the vehicle, and then see the perps drive off with your car and your young child in the back seat who they did not see? Property crime comes no where near violent street crime. |
You're comparing theft to assault with a deadly weapon, rape, and kidnapping.
Who's nuts? |
Extreme example yes. But you wrote and I quote "Using a photocopier to steal something is the same as using a gun." That is nuts. Have you ever had a gun pulled on you. I have more than once. Even though I was not shot, it's not a good feeling and I'd rather be robbed silently at a distance by someone on a keyboard. |
Not an extreme example but an example of a completely different action.
It's the same because the results are the same. It's not nuts.
What's nuts--in your limited vocabulary--is continuing to derail this thread. Back on topic, do you think it's OK to cheat, to be intellectually dishonest, to steal others' ideas? |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
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| Those of you saying that "theft is theft" are nuts. Would you rather come out of the restaurant and find out your car has been stolen from the parking lot, or would you rather be car jacked at the corner while stopped at a red light, pistol whipped, see your girl wife sexually assaulted in the passenger seat and thrown out of the vehicle, and then see the perps drive off with your car and your young child in the back seat who they did not see? Property crime comes no where near violent street crime. |
You're comparing theft to assault with a deadly weapon, rape, and kidnapping.
Who's nuts? |
Extreme example yes. But you wrote and I quote "Using a photocopier to steal something is the same as using a gun." That is nuts. Have you ever had a gun pulled on you. I have more than once. Even though I was not shot, it's not a good feeling and I'd rather be robbed silently at a distance by someone on a keyboard. |
Not an extreme example but an example of a completely different action.
It's the same because the results are the same. It's not nuts.
What's nuts--in your limited vocabulary--is continuing to derail this thread. Back on topic, do you think it's OK to cheat, to be intellectually dishonest, to steal others' ideas? |
I hope someone sticks a gun in you or your child's face in order to rob you and while you are wetting yourself you can think " not a problem, same as me dropping and losing my wallet, since the outcomes are the same." |
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3DR
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| Those of you saying that "theft is theft" are nuts. Would you rather come out of the restaurant and find out your car has been stolen from the parking lot, or would you rather be car jacked at the corner while stopped at a red light, pistol whipped, see your girl wife sexually assaulted in the passenger seat and thrown out of the vehicle, and then see the perps drive off with your car and your young child in the back seat who they did not see? Property crime comes no where near violent street crime. |
You're comparing theft to assault with a deadly weapon, rape, and kidnapping.
Who's nuts? |
Extreme example yes. But you wrote and I quote "Using a photocopier to steal something is the same as using a gun." That is nuts. Have you ever had a gun pulled on you. I have more than once. Even though I was not shot, it's not a good feeling and I'd rather be robbed silently at a distance by someone on a keyboard. |
Not an extreme example but an example of a completely different action.
It's the same because the results are the same. It's not nuts.
What's nuts--in your limited vocabulary--is continuing to derail this thread. Back on topic, do you think it's OK to cheat, to be intellectually dishonest, to steal others' ideas? |
Someone stealing a copy of your paper by photocopying it compared to getting robbed and possibly shot is nowhere near the same thing. If you really believe that, then all sentences for all kinds of thefts should be the same. Rob a bank at gunpoint? 10 years. Steal some bubblegum from the local store? Also 10 years.
Man you are either dumb as a rock or intentionally being dishonest to keep up whatever charade you've got going here.
I seriously hope it's the latter. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| Those of you saying that "theft is theft" are nuts. Would you rather come out of the restaurant and find out your car has been stolen from the parking lot, or would you rather be car jacked at the corner while stopped at a red light, pistol whipped, see your girl wife sexually assaulted in the passenger seat and thrown out of the vehicle, and then see the perps drive off with your car and your young child in the back seat who they did not see? Property crime comes no where near violent street crime. |
You're comparing theft to assault with a deadly weapon, rape, and kidnapping.
Who's nuts? |
Extreme example yes. But you wrote and I quote "Using a photocopier to steal something is the same as using a gun." That is nuts. Have you ever had a gun pulled on you. I have more than once. Even though I was not shot, it's not a good feeling and I'd rather be robbed silently at a distance by someone on a keyboard. |
Not an extreme example but an example of a completely different action.
It's the same because the results are the same. It's not nuts.
What's nuts--in your limited vocabulary--is continuing to derail this thread. Back on topic, do you think it's OK to cheat, to be intellectually dishonest, to steal others' ideas? |
I hope someone sticks a gun in you or your child's face in order to rob you and while you are wetting yourself you can think " not a problem, same as me dropping and losing my wallet, since the outcomes are the same." |
So that's what happened to you--you wet yourself?
So it's not theft if someone doesn't use a gun to do it? |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| 3DR wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| Those of you saying that "theft is theft" are nuts. Would you rather come out of the restaurant and find out your car has been stolen from the parking lot, or would you rather be car jacked at the corner while stopped at a red light, pistol whipped, see your girl wife sexually assaulted in the passenger seat and thrown out of the vehicle, and then see the perps drive off with your car and your young child in the back seat who they did not see? Property crime comes no where near violent street crime. |
You're comparing theft to assault with a deadly weapon, rape, and kidnapping.
Who's nuts? |
Extreme example yes. But you wrote and I quote "Using a photocopier to steal something is the same as using a gun." That is nuts. Have you ever had a gun pulled on you. I have more than once. Even though I was not shot, it's not a good feeling and I'd rather be robbed silently at a distance by someone on a keyboard. |
Not an extreme example but an example of a completely different action.
It's the same because the results are the same. It's not nuts.
What's nuts--in your limited vocabulary--is continuing to derail this thread. Back on topic, do you think it's OK to cheat, to be intellectually dishonest, to steal others' ideas? |
Someone stealing a copy of your paper by photocopying it compared to getting robbed and possibly shot is nowhere near the same thing. If you really believe that, then all sentences for all kinds of thefts should be the same. Rob a bank at gunpoint? 10 years. Steal some bubblegum from the local store? Also 10 years.
Man you are either dumb as a rock or intentionally being dishonest to keep up whatever charade you've got going here.
I seriously hope it's the latter. |
Neither, gunga din.
The types of rationales you and others are making for cheating are sophmoric.
Not bubble gum but:
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| A jury has sentenced a Waco man convicted of stealing a rack of ribs to 50 years in prison. |
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After 13 years behind bars for trying to break in to a church kitchen to find something to eat, a man has been ordered released from prison.
A Superior Court judge amended Gregory Taylor's sentence to eight years already served and the 47-year-old, who was sentenced in 1997 to 25 years to life, will be a free man in a few days. |
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| His offence was the theft of four cookies from a restaurant. His punishment was jail for 25 years to life. |
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| Texas' reputation as a law-and-order state is receiving worldwide attention after a Tyler jury sentenced a man to 16 years in prison for shoplifting a $1 candy bar. |
If you guys are going to continue with these dim-witted comparisons, at least put some effort into them.
And I'll ask you, do you think cheating, stealing someone else's work, is OK?
Why is it none of you guys can step up to the plate and give me an answer? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Those examples are probably for '3 strikes and you're out' offenders.
There's no statute in any of the 50 states where first-time shoplifting gets you a felony sentence of 16 years. Nice try. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll answer. Yes, cheating and stealing the work of others are wrong. Show us where in this thread that someone claimed otherwise. |
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3DR
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| 3DR wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| Those of you saying that "theft is theft" are nuts. Would you rather come out of the restaurant and find out your car has been stolen from the parking lot, or would you rather be car jacked at the corner while stopped at a red light, pistol whipped, see your girl wife sexually assaulted in the passenger seat and thrown out of the vehicle, and then see the perps drive off with your car and your young child in the back seat who they did not see? Property crime comes no where near violent street crime. |
You're comparing theft to assault with a deadly weapon, rape, and kidnapping.
Who's nuts? |
Extreme example yes. But you wrote and I quote "Using a photocopier to steal something is the same as using a gun." That is nuts. Have you ever had a gun pulled on you. I have more than once. Even though I was not shot, it's not a good feeling and I'd rather be robbed silently at a distance by someone on a keyboard. |
Not an extreme example but an example of a completely different action.
It's the same because the results are the same. It's not nuts.
What's nuts--in your limited vocabulary--is continuing to derail this thread. Back on topic, do you think it's OK to cheat, to be intellectually dishonest, to steal others' ideas? |
Someone stealing a copy of your paper by photocopying it compared to getting robbed and possibly shot is nowhere near the same thing. If you really believe that, then all sentences for all kinds of thefts should be the same. Rob a bank at gunpoint? 10 years. Steal some bubblegum from the local store? Also 10 years.
Man you are either dumb as a rock or intentionally being dishonest to keep up whatever charade you've got going here.
I seriously hope it's the latter. |
Neither, gunga din.
The types of rationales you and others are making for cheating are sophmoric.
Not bubble gum but:
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| A jury has sentenced a Waco man convicted of stealing a rack of ribs to 50 years in prison. |
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After 13 years behind bars for trying to break in to a church kitchen to find something to eat, a man has been ordered released from prison.
A Superior Court judge amended Gregory Taylor's sentence to eight years already served and the 47-year-old, who was sentenced in 1997 to 25 years to life, will be a free man in a few days. |
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| His offence was the theft of four cookies from a restaurant. His punishment was jail for 25 years to life. |
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| Texas' reputation as a law-and-order state is receiving worldwide attention after a Tyler jury sentenced a man to 16 years in prison for shoplifting a $1 candy bar. |
If you guys are going to continue with these dim-witted comparisons, at least put some effort into them.
And I'll ask you, do you think cheating, stealing someone else's work, is OK?
Why is it none of you guys can step up to the plate and give me an answer? |
Why no links atwood? Would they show they you are satill being intellectually dishonest? From your first quote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/willie-smith-ward-texas-man-gets-50-years-in-prison-for-stealing-rack-of-ribs/
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But no, it wasn't the only crime he ever committed.
Forty-three-year-old Willie Smith Ward was convicted and sentenced on robbery charges Wednesday, May 29. The Waco Tribune-Herald reports that Ward also threatened a grocery store employee who tried to stop him from stealing the rack of pork ribs in 2011.
The employee testified that Ward told him he had a knife.
The jury recommended Ward be sentenced as a habitual criminal. Ward has previous felony convictions for burglary, attempted robbery, aggravated assault, leaving the scene of an accident and possession of cocaine, and four misdemeanor convictions, including two thefts. |
From your second quote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/17/gregory-taylor-homeless-m_n_684828.html
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Taylor was convicted of third-strike burglary due to two robbery convictions in the 1980s, once for stealing a purse containing $10 and another time for trying to rob a man on the street. He didn't use a weapon in either case, and no one was injured.
During an appeal, a dissenting state Supreme Court justice said Taylor was a 20th-century version of Jean Valjean, a character imprisoned for stealing bread in Victor Hugo's novel "Les Miserables."
Judge Espinoza said the church break-in was not a crime of violence "but drug addiction and homelessness."
The three-strikes sentencing policies of the 1990s "produced inconsistent and disproportionate results," he said. |
Third quote is also from California with the stupid three strikes law.
You are probably the most dishonest poster on this board. Like I said, you are either dumb or act dumb for whatever reason to keep up your charades.
Only a complete idiot would sit there and agree that it makes sense to go to jail for 25 years for stealing cookies and call it the same thing as robbing someone at gunpoint and/or harming the person.
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Those examples are probably for '3 strikes and you're out' offenders.
There's no statute in any of the 50 states where first-time shoplifting gets you a felony sentence of 16 years. Nice try. |
No one posted first-time offender, did they? My examples are perfectly valid. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll answer. Yes, cheating and stealing the work of others are wrong. Show us where in this thread that someone claimed otherwise. |
My original response was to a poster who "claimed otherwise." Those questioning my response are in effect siding with said poster.
But thanks for the answer. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| 3DR wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| 3DR wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| Those of you saying that "theft is theft" are nuts. Would you rather come out of the restaurant and find out your car has been stolen from the parking lot, or would you rather be car jacked at the corner while stopped at a red light, pistol whipped, see your girl wife sexually assaulted in the passenger seat and thrown out of the vehicle, and then see the perps drive off with your car and your young child in the back seat who they did not see? Property crime comes no where near violent street crime. |
You're comparing theft to assault with a deadly weapon, rape, and kidnapping.
Who's nuts? |
Extreme example yes. But you wrote and I quote "Using a photocopier to steal something is the same as using a gun." That is nuts. Have you ever had a gun pulled on you. I have more than once. Even though I was not shot, it's not a good feeling and I'd rather be robbed silently at a distance by someone on a keyboard. |
Not an extreme example but an example of a completely different action.
It's the same because the results are the same. It's not nuts.
What's nuts--in your limited vocabulary--is continuing to derail this thread. Back on topic, do you think it's OK to cheat, to be intellectually dishonest, to steal others' ideas? |
Someone stealing a copy of your paper by photocopying it compared to getting robbed and possibly shot is nowhere near the same thing. If you really believe that, then all sentences for all kinds of thefts should be the same. Rob a bank at gunpoint? 10 years. Steal some bubblegum from the local store? Also 10 years.
Man you are either dumb as a rock or intentionally being dishonest to keep up whatever charade you've got going here.
I seriously hope it's the latter. |
Neither, gunga din.
The types of rationales you and others are making for cheating are sophmoric.
Not bubble gum but:
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| A jury has sentenced a Waco man convicted of stealing a rack of ribs to 50 years in prison. |
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After 13 years behind bars for trying to break in to a church kitchen to find something to eat, a man has been ordered released from prison.
A Superior Court judge amended Gregory Taylor's sentence to eight years already served and the 47-year-old, who was sentenced in 1997 to 25 years to life, will be a free man in a few days. |
| Quote: |
| His offence was the theft of four cookies from a restaurant. His punishment was jail for 25 years to life. |
| Quote: |
| Texas' reputation as a law-and-order state is receiving worldwide attention after a Tyler jury sentenced a man to 16 years in prison for shoplifting a $1 candy bar. |
If you guys are going to continue with these dim-witted comparisons, at least put some effort into them.
And I'll ask you, do you think cheating, stealing someone else's work, is OK?
Why is it none of you guys can step up to the plate and give me an answer? |
Why no links atwood? Would they show they you are satill being intellectually dishonest? From your first quote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/willie-smith-ward-texas-man-gets-50-years-in-prison-for-stealing-rack-of-ribs/
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But no, it wasn't the only crime he ever committed.
Forty-three-year-old Willie Smith Ward was convicted and sentenced on robbery charges Wednesday, May 29. The Waco Tribune-Herald reports that Ward also threatened a grocery store employee who tried to stop him from stealing the rack of pork ribs in 2011.
The employee testified that Ward told him he had a knife.
The jury recommended Ward be sentenced as a habitual criminal. Ward has previous felony convictions for burglary, attempted robbery, aggravated assault, leaving the scene of an accident and possession of cocaine, and four misdemeanor convictions, including two thefts. |
From your second quote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/17/gregory-taylor-homeless-m_n_684828.html
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Taylor was convicted of third-strike burglary due to two robbery convictions in the 1980s, once for stealing a purse containing $10 and another time for trying to rob a man on the street. He didn't use a weapon in either case, and no one was injured.
During an appeal, a dissenting state Supreme Court justice said Taylor was a 20th-century version of Jean Valjean, a character imprisoned for stealing bread in Victor Hugo's novel "Les Miserables."
Judge Espinoza said the church break-in was not a crime of violence "but drug addiction and homelessness."
The three-strikes sentencing policies of the 1990s "produced inconsistent and disproportionate results," he said. |
Third quote is also from California with the stupid three strikes law.
You are probably the most dishonest poster on this board. Like I said, you are either dumb or act dumb for whatever reason to keep up your charades.
Only a complete idiot would sit there and agree that it makes sense to go to jail for 25 years for stealing cookies and call it the same thing as robbing someone at gunpoint and/or harming the person.
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You were the one claiming the sentencing would be different. I showed you examples when it wasn't--in other words that you were wrong--and the best you can do is call me names.
Poor show, gunga din. Good thing for you the three strike rule doesn't apply here. |
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3DR
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Keep moving those goalposts atwood. They're almost out of the stadium now  |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:17 am Post subject: |
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| Keep moving those goalposts atwood. They're almost out of the stadium now |
Nicely dodged, gunga din.
On the day an srian steps up and admits they were wrong, this site will probably implode. So maybe it's best you continue evasive maneuvers.  |
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Mr. BlackCat
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| I'm just shocked no one has brought up those ads they used to play at movie theatres "You wouldn't steal a car? THEN WHY ARE YOU DOWNLOADING!" |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:05 am Post subject: |
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You were the one claiming the sentencing would be different. I showed you examples when it wasn't--in other words that you were wrong--and the best you can do is call me names.
Poor show, gunga din. Good thing for you the three strike rule doesn't apply here. |
Actually it is different atwood. Those sentences aren't just for shoplifting or petty theft. Those sentences are for all the crimes they committed previously PLUS their most recent crime. That's why its called a 3 strikes rule. The sentencing guidelines specifically refer to past criminal conduct. To make it on there you have to commit certain crimes, usually violent ones or armed robbery.
That's like saying that "robbery is treated just as badly as murder, since both can get you the death penalty" and posting some story about a guy getting the death penalty for armed robbery, but leaving out the fact that this death occurred during commission of that robbery where his accomplice shot someone. Similar situation here. The sentencing for both felony murder AND three strikes specifically refers to other crimes. Without those other crimes, the stiff sentence you speak of is impossible.
Plagiarism is not the same as armed robbery. I'm happy that in your sheltered life, you can manage to be so free of that kind of crime as to somehow equate the two.
For those of us who have had to deal with it firsthand and lived and worked in serious fear of its occurrence, it is nowhere near the same. If you spent any time in the real world and not in whatever sheltered hamlet you grew up in, you'd know that too.
But here's how they are NOT the same- The cops or normal citizens can't shoot you for plagiarism. They CAN and WILL shoot you for armed robbery. Try walking into a liquor store copying someone's notes vs. holding a gun, same reaction I'm sure.
Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and try it?
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| I mean seriously, you claim again and again that Korea is some sort of safe haven from "back home" and when I list stats that prove that to be completely false you just claim it's a different kind of murder. You completely refuse to admit when you are wrong. You've been exposed as a liar so many times on this board and you just keep on spouting the same drivel in response. Your only defence is simply more text. Just flood every thread with enough lies that everyone else gives up fact checking every insane claim you make or just gets tired, and then you "win". |
I'm not saying its a safe haven. I am saying that the claim that "stealing" or "theft" is ingrained in Korean culture is bunk because there isn't a corresponding match in violent theft. And since violent theft is higher back home, does that mean "theft" is part of our culture as well?
And saying that its mostly domestic killings as opposed to say, gang drivebys is not some stretch of the imagination. That's common sense. How many random killings do you get here? How many times has someone robbed a CU and knifed or shot someone? Come on man.
Anyways, have fun siding with the guy that thinks plagiarism via copy machine is the same as robbery at gun point. Maybe you can join in him on Naive Street in Shelteredville. |
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