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beentheredonethat777
Joined: 27 Jul 2013
Location: AsiaHaven
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| Why wonder? In the end you're the teacher, and it's ultimately up to you, or your CT, to control the temperature. |
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Owner/Secretary controls the whole building's temp now. (new system recently put in) so I don't actually have control.
I was just perplexed about why students would claim to be "very hot", but then adamantly refuse to remove their coats and scarves.
I understand the logic a little better now. Thanks to everyone who commented. |
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Been There, Taught That
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Mungyeong: not a village, not yet a metroplex.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| basic69isokay wrote: |
Korea used to be a painfully poor country.
Most people wear ski jackets indoors, even if the heat is on and its free to use.
It's the same reason people gorge on the free onions at costco.
They dont need it, but they got this 3rd world mindset that will never go away.
Basically, you just sweat it out in summer and freeze your ass off in winter. No matter what. Even if Korea becomes the world's richest country, you can't change it. |
horrible answer |
I haven't seen a reply from Basic that wasn't, no matter the question. He expertly answers them all  . |
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Been There, Taught That
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Mungyeong: not a village, not yet a metroplex.
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| basic69isokay wrote: |
| Sesame wrote: |
| basic69isokay wrote: |
Korea used to be a painfully poor country.
Most people wear ski jackets indoors, even if the heat is on and its free to use.
It's the same reason people gorge on the free onions at costco.
They dont need it, but they got this 3rd world mindset that will never go away.
Basically, you just sweat it out in summer and freeze your ass off in winter. No matter what. Even if Korea becomes the world's richest country, you can't change it. |
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Why? Do you disagree? I see this kind of thing all the time.
It's the same reason you get dozens of pickled side dishes at korean restaurants. Nobody eats them. It's overcompensating for a time when people were hungry.
Same with the cold thing. |
basic69isoka is 100% correct. I have heard his same answer 100's of times from older Koreans since my first winter here back in the 1990's. Often older Koreans also told me that back when only a few could own a good coat they wore it all the time to show off. Like the Movie Stars used to wear minks in the Hot Summers because they wanted to how off their wealth. Pay no attention to Sesame. Sesame is quite honestly the worst poster on dave's. Never an original thought. Just insults other posters. |
Let's be honest now. At its root 'third world mindset' is a generalization. Many in the US have a 'third world mindset', if you care to peruse the media for long enough. At best, it's that. At worst, it's an insulting generalization. Would you sit down at a meal provided free of charge and criticize a spot on the silverware as a product of a host who simply thinks that's what clean is all about? Basic is speaking off-the-cuff. And let's not get the Costco behemoth into the act. That's on another planet.
I can't accept raging generalizations from a poster who has elsewhere shown him-or herself to be slightly paranoid and perhaps unknowingly Korea-phobic to a limited extent. I've seen that it-doesn't-fit-MY-mindset attitude from too many foreigners wracked with wonder at all the differences on display, filtering everything through the fisheye lens of their minds. So, unless there's a more historically in-depth analysis lurking somewhere from Basic, let's just say it was not a well-thought out opinion, not at all a satisfying answer. And I didn't even address the question.
By the way, what you can observe people doing, even in a country with a powerful group identity like Korea, and the economic history of a nation up to the present don't dangle on opposite ends of fishing line. Have you ever seen rope-making for village Tug-of-War competitions in Korea. Now that's a bond!
Best results are devoid of character assassinations. |
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basic69isokay
Joined: 28 Sep 2014
Location: korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| Been There, Taught That wrote: |
| drcrazy wrote: |
| basic69isokay wrote: |
| Sesame wrote: |
| basic69isokay wrote: |
Korea used to be a painfully poor country.
Most people wear ski jackets indoors, even if the heat is on and its free to use.
It's the same reason people gorge on the free onions at costco.
They dont need it, but they got this 3rd world mindset that will never go away.
Basically, you just sweat it out in summer and freeze your ass off in winter. No matter what. Even if Korea becomes the world's richest country, you can't change it. |
horrible answer |
Why? Do you disagree? I see this kind of thing all the time.
It's the same reason you get dozens of pickled side dishes at korean restaurants. Nobody eats them. It's overcompensating for a time when people were hungry.
Same with the cold thing. |
basic69isoka is 100% correct. I have heard his same answer 100's of times from older Koreans since my first winter here back in the 1990's. Often older Koreans also told me that back when only a few could own a good coat they wore it all the time to show off. Like the Movie Stars used to wear minks in the Hot Summers because they wanted to how off their wealth. Pay no attention to Sesame. Sesame is quite honestly the worst poster on dave's. Never an original thought. Just insults other posters. |
Let's be honest now. At its root 'third world mindset' is a generalization. Many in the US have a 'third world mindset', if you care to peruse the media for long enough. At best, it's that. At worst, it's an insulting generalization. Would you sit down at a meal provided free of charge and criticize a spot on the silverware as a product of a host who simply thinks that's what clean is all about? Basic is speaking off-the-cuff. And let's not get the Costco behemoth into the act. That's on another planet.
I can't accept raging generalizations from a poster who has elsewhere shown him-or herself to be slightly paranoid and perhaps unknowingly Korea-phobic to a limited extent. I've seen that it-doesn't-fit-MY-mindset attitude from too many foreigners wracked with wonder at all the differences on display, filtering everything through the fisheye lens of their minds. So, unless there's a more historically in-depth analysis lurking somewhere from Basic, let's just say it was not a well-thought out opinion, not at all a satisfying answer. And I didn't even address the question.
By the way, what you can observe people doing, even in a country with a powerful group identity like Korea, and the economic history of a nation up to the present don't dangle on opposite ends of fishing line. Have you ever seen rope-making for village Tug-of-War competitions in Korea. Now that's a bond!
Best results are devoid of character assassinations. |
It's not unknowingly. Haha, I just call it as I see it. Yes, there are many things that bother me about Korean culture. One is cranking up the heat with a ski jacket on, then complaining that its hot. Phobic? Hmm yea possibly. That said, I do like living here for the most part and its a choice for me at this point. Debts are paid and we could go anywhere, but there's many good things about Korea. This, however, is not one.
Besides, the OP seemed happy with our answers.
Why did you bump it just to hate on me?
That seems strange. Hate on! I guess
Btw if you dont agree with me, thats cool move along eh? |
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duhweecher
Joined: 06 Nov 2013
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I'm Korean and understand this well. It's a new problem in Korea that you especially notice with the younger kids. In America you would call it:
SPOILED.
For one, it's not even acceptable when I was young in Korea to complain to a teacher. That being said ignore all the BS on this board about supposed culture explaining this ridiculous behavior. And with the spoiled parents, remember the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. There is NOTHING cultural about this. Koreans have ALWAYS been adept at suffering (hot bus...no complaint...cold bus...no complaint...replace bus with any other place and you have your cultural explanation if you need it) |
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drcrazy
Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| duhweecher wrote: |
I'm Korean and understand this well. It's a new problem in Korea that you especially notice with the younger kids. In America you would call it:
SPOILED.
For one, it's not even acceptable when I was young in Korea to complain to a teacher. That being said ignore all the BS on this board about supposed culture explaining this ridiculous behavior. And with the spoiled parents, remember the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. There is NOTHING cultural about this. Koreans have ALWAYS been adept at suffering (hot bus...no complaint...cold bus...no complaint...replace bus with any other place and you have your cultural explanation if you need it) |
NEW PROBLEM?????? Younger Kids??????? In the late 90's I was teaching classes at night for Business men. The room was as hot as an oven in winter. They never took off their coats. Faces red, sweet dripping, made no difference. They all said because it is winter. So, back then many seemed, as now, to use the calendar and not a thermometer. But, I remember looking all over stores trying to find a thermometer to buy. Even had Korean friends helping me to find one. Finally saw my first ones in 2003 in a Big Mart Store. I bought 2. |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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True about the calendar. That's why beaches are closed on September 1st despite it being 30 degrees outside. 'Beach season' is over, you dumb waygook.
Duhweecher, true. Some of the younger generation are becoming like people from western countries. I have no experience living in a poor country and wondering where my next meal is coming from. Many North Americans buy fish with no heads, don't eat organ meat, etc. I never eat things like chicken feet, cow's head, pig skin, etc. I consider that garbage.
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| duhweecher wrote: |
I'm Korean and understand this well. It's a new problem in Korea that you especially notice with the younger kids. In America you would call it:
SPOILED.
For one, it's not even acceptable when I was young in Korea to complain to a teacher. That being said ignore all the BS on this board about supposed culture explaining this ridiculous behavior. And with the spoiled parents, remember the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. There is NOTHING cultural about this. Koreans have ALWAYS been adept at suffering (hot bus...no complaint...cold bus...no complaint...replace bus with any other place and you have your cultural explanation if you need it) |
NEW PROBLEM?????? Younger Kids??????? In the late 90's I was teaching classes at night for Business men. The room was as hot as an oven in winter. They never took off their coats. Faces red, sweet dripping, made no difference. They all said because it is winter. So, back then many seemed, as now, to use the calendar and not a thermometer. But, I remember looking all over stores trying to find a thermometer to buy. Even had Korean friends helping me to find one. Finally saw my first ones in 2003 in a Big Mart Store. I bought 2. |
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drcrazy
Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan
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PS: I have also seen this every year with university students (NOT SOME ALL OF THEM) And I bet some of them are now in the 40's. By the way, I am now in the Library at my university. I have a thermometer with me. It is 32c in here. They ALL look like they should be outside at the North Pole the way they are dressed. The guy at the comp. beside me is wearing a feather down coat that looks at least two feet thick. Under it you can see he has on a heavy turtle neck sweater. And the other 100 or so in here do not look much different. By the way, his face is as red as fire. I am going to show him my thermometer and ask him why he does not take off his coat. he has been here for almost 2 hours.
Oh, here goes.
Ok. I got the answer. "It is winter."
Oh, I just noticed one of my students far away. She just walked in and took her coat off and sat down at a comp. But, she is from Indonesia.
| drcrazy wrote: |
| duhweecher wrote: |
I'm Korean and understand this well. It's a new problem in Korea that you especially notice with the younger kids. In America you would call it:
SPOILED.
For one, it's not even acceptable when I was young in Korea to complain to a teacher. That being said ignore all the BS on this board about supposed culture explaining this ridiculous behavior. And with the spoiled parents, remember the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. There is NOTHING cultural about this. Koreans have ALWAYS been adept at suffering (hot bus...no complaint...cold bus...no complaint...replace bus with any other place and you have your cultural explanation if you need it) |
NEW PROBLEM?????? Younger Kids??????? In the late 90's I was teaching classes at night for Business men. The room was as hot as an oven in winter. They never took off their coats. Faces red, sweet dripping, made no difference. They all said because it is winter. So, back then many seemed, as now, to use the calendar and not a thermometer. But, I remember looking all over stores trying to find a thermometer to buy. Even had Korean friends helping me to find one. Finally saw my first ones in 2003 in a Big Mart Store. I bought 2. |
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duhweecher
Joined: 06 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| drcrazy wrote: |
| duhweecher wrote: |
I'm Korean and understand this well. It's a new problem in Korea that you especially notice with the younger kids. In America you would call it:
SPOILED.
For one, it's not even acceptable when I was young in Korea to complain to a teacher. That being said ignore all the BS on this board about supposed culture explaining this ridiculous behavior. And with the spoiled parents, remember the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. There is NOTHING cultural about this. Koreans have ALWAYS been adept at suffering (hot bus...no complaint...cold bus...no complaint...replace bus with any other place and you have your cultural explanation if you need it) |
NEW PROBLEM?????? Younger Kids??????? In the late 90's I was teaching classes at night for Business men. The room was as hot as an oven in winter. They never took off their coats. Faces red, sweet dripping, made no difference. They all said because it is winter. So, back then many seemed, as now, to use the calendar and not a thermometer. But, I remember looking all over stores trying to find a thermometer to buy. Even had Korean friends helping me to find one. Finally saw my first ones in 2003 in a Big Mart Store. I bought 2. |
Apparently you're young. You seriously think the 1990s was long ago? Sorry, but I think I said their parents parents. But anyways. Re-read my point.
Complaining is not acceptable in Korea: It's called spoiled. And yes, it's a relatively new. |
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