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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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 Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| but the attacker may have been charged by the police (forget the name of that official charge), unless the dad bribed/smoothed it all over.. |
Ah yes. Plod saw the chance to make a few bucks out of the situation. |
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amo_jh
Joined: 21 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:26 am Post subject: |
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This made it to one of the top stories on Naver last week. From what I can remember from reading the story,
The foreign guy C was at the club with girls A and B. I believe B is C’s gf. The Korean guy D started a conversation with girl A. The two apparently knew each other. After a while A got too drunk and intimate with D and D tried pushing A away. B then starting harassing and punching D, at which time D grabbed B’s wrist. Seeing this, C punched D three times in the face and now D is in coma. A,B, and C all fled the scene, and were later arrested in C’s home. |
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duhweecher
Joined: 06 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:40 am Post subject: |
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No need for clarification, the Korean-written article says the altercation happened at a club at 10 am and that this guy is 37 years old! Any account from either party would be a drunken one in my opinion. But to leave the scene of a crime says a great deal along with the other details. This guy needs to start living his age.
If I were a hagwon owner I'd want to distance myself from this "teacher" too. |
Exactly. How dare an adult drink outside of work! The proper thing to do is drink with your coworkers and visit a brothel together. |
First, not sure why you think an English teacher is somehow the same thing as a salaryman/ businessman in Korea. In fact, neither of the those two are respected much even by Korean people.
Anyways, this is likely a blessing in disguise for this guy.
Being 37, at a club at 10 am, and fighting in a foreign country make for a potent cocktail of grow up and stupidity on the rocks. Hope he learns from it though.
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duhweecher
Joined: 06 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| the altercation happened at a club at 10 am |
So his "ex-gf" is in reality an Old Town pickup? |
I had to ask a friend what "Old Town" meant, but after we looked it up. Yes, you'd be right, she IS in reality an Old Town pickup.
Apparently the place comes out here:
http://youtu.be/Pi--lu9jFdM |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
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Wrist grab is an assault, a punch is assault, even if it missed. |
Korea has different laws though. Its not about who provokes or instigates trouble, its about who is the most injured party. |
Which is why they'll lie about injuries so much and go straight to victim-mode the minute anyone stands up for themselves and pushes back.
It also means defending yourself properly is basically illegal. If you take someone out if they attack you, suddenly they are the victim in the whole thing.
The only way the foreigner could have a "win" in this system is to let the ajosshi punch him and his girlfriend, then lie down for a few kicks to the head. But if the adjosshi hurts his toe on the guys face, suddenly he becomes a victim too. Crazy system, plus he's got the foreigner card stacked against him.
I know a foreigner who took multiple punches to the head from a Korean. The Korean switched the story and said he was attacked instead, the cops believed him but CCTV proved him wrong. They then warned the foreigner that during the attack, grabbing the other man's lapel in order to defend or restrain him is "assault". Ok uh, what about the punches to the head? |
So, what was the final result? Did the Korean get charged or not? |
The Korean dad arrived to smooth everything over for his son, tried to intimidate the foreigner into not pressing charges, then went straight into bribe mode when intimidation failed. As I know, the foreigner didn't end up pressing charges or take any bribes (no idea why), but the attacker may have been charged by the police (forget the name of that official charge), unless the dad bribed/smoothed it all over.
It was just funny because even with definitive CCTV footage, it still seemed like an uphill battle for the foreigner, what with the corrupt cops, lying attacker, and bribing father. Now imagine if it's a he said/she said situation. No hope at all. |
Well, that sucks. He should have either demanded a high amount of money like 10 million won or if money was no concern demand the young geyser get charged and get a criminal record. However, that girl who was apparently raped or assaulted on that go fund me site was being sued for libel because the guy got his conviction voerturned.
Too bad some of these bastards couldn't be lured to travel to a western country where he won't have racist laws to hide behind. Then some business could be settled. |
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ghostrider
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
| Chaparrastique wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
Wrist grab is an assault, a punch is assault, even if it missed. |
Korea has different laws though. Its not about who provokes or instigates trouble, its about who is the most injured party. |
Which is why they'll lie about injuries so much and go straight to victim-mode the minute anyone stands up for themselves and pushes back.
It also means defending yourself properly is basically illegal. If you take someone out if they attack you, suddenly they are the victim in the whole thing.
The only way the foreigner could have a "win" in this system is to let the ajosshi punch him and his girlfriend, then lie down for a few kicks to the head. But if the adjosshi hurts his toe on the guys face, suddenly he becomes a victim too. Crazy system, plus he's got the foreigner card stacked against him.
I know a foreigner who took multiple punches to the head from a Korean. The Korean switched the story and said he was attacked instead, the cops believed him but CCTV proved him wrong. They then warned the foreigner that during the attack, grabbing the other man's lapel in order to defend or restrain him is "assault". Ok uh, what about the punches to the head? |
So, what was the final result? Did the Korean get charged or not? |
The Korean dad arrived to smooth everything over for his son, tried to intimidate the foreigner into not pressing charges, then went straight into bribe mode when intimidation failed. As I know, the foreigner didn't end up pressing charges or take any bribes (no idea why), but the attacker may have been charged by the police (forget the name of that official charge), unless the dad bribed/smoothed it all over.
It was just funny because even with definitive CCTV footage, it still seemed like an uphill battle for the foreigner, what with the corrupt cops, lying attacker, and bribing father. Now imagine if it's a he said/she said situation. No hope at all. |
Well, that sucks. He should have either demanded a high amount of money like 10 million won or if money was no concern demand the young geyser get charged and get a criminal record. However, that girl who was apparently raped or assaulted on that go fund me site was being sued for libel because the guy got his conviction voerturned.
Too bad some of these bastards couldn't be lured to travel to a western country where he won't have racist laws to hide behind. Then some business could be settled. |
Outside of Korea, most of these types would be too scared to start anything anyway.
I agree he should have considered taking some money or pressed charges. He took the "high road" and got... nothing. Meanwhile imagine the reverse: a foreigner punches a local several times: do you think the local would take the "high road" and just let it go?
Also, by not pressing charges, the son (the attacker) learns he can punch anyone (especially a foreigner) and nothing serious will happen as long as daddy comes to the rescue with his wallet. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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But, at least the author makes the point that the law is not realistic:
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| The definition and terms of self-defense must be decided on more realistic grounds. Defending oneself against a break-in should not be considered by the court on the same terms as during a drunken brawl. Different terms should be laid out according to the place, conditions and motivation of the offender so that a person defending him or herself does not end up being a criminal. |
That last sentence makes sense. They need to consider all the circumstances and weigh in self-defense logically. Not just: "Oh, you hurt him too much; now YOU'RE the criminal, even though you were attacked." |
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duhweecher
Joined: 06 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| A man got 18 months for beating a burglar Different terms should be laid out according to the place, conditions and motivation of the offender so that a person defending him or herself does not end up being a criminal. |
That last sentence makes sense. They need to consider all the circumstances and weigh in self-defense logically. Not just: "Oh, you hurt him too much; now YOU'RE the criminal, even though you were attacked." |
And that being said...37, Old Town, and in Korea for 7.5 years--and he still doesn't know the deal. He honestly needs something like this to help it seems. |
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ghostrider
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Some images
the accused recently posted on FB. I guess they make it pretty clear how he feels about what happened.
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Some [url=https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10801871_10152926328063033_2701640850067313551_n.jpg?oh=38d77a98523432163a61af2e4ae8aef3&oe=551BEE6C&__gda__=1426900858_a39251649ee6abecda52900db221f2c6]images |
the accused recently posted on FB. I guess they make it pretty clear how he feels about what happened.[/quote]
Anyone know where he worked? Guess they need a new teacher now!  |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:25 am Post subject: |
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| A man got 18 months for beating a burglar Different terms should be laid out according to the place, conditions and motivation of the offender so that a person defending him or herself does not end up being a criminal. |
That last sentence makes sense. They need to consider all the circumstances and weigh in self-defense logically. Not just: "Oh, you hurt him too much; now YOU'RE the criminal, even though you were attacked." |
And that being said...37, Old Town, and in Korea for 7.5 years--and he still doesn't know the deal. He honestly needs something like this to help it seems. |
Maybe, but any foreigner could be in the same boat if the wrong circumstances struck. "Knowing the deal" is no guarantee that nothing will happen. Sorry, what is "Old Town" anyway? |
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| duhweecher wrote: |
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| A man got 18 months for beating a burglar Different terms should be laid out according to the place, conditions and motivation of the offender so that a person defending him or herself does not end up being a criminal. |
That last sentence makes sense. They need to consider all the circumstances and weigh in self-defense logically. Not just: "Oh, you hurt him too much; now YOU'RE the criminal, even though you were attacked." |
And that being said...37, Old Town, and in Korea for 7.5 years--and he still doesn't know the deal. He honestly needs something like this to help it seems. |
Maybe, but any foreigner could be in the same boat if the wrong circumstances struck. "Knowing the deal" is no guarantee that nothing will happen. Sorry, what is "Old Town" anyway? |
"The Old town tavern
This place is where the action is after everywhere else closes in Seoul! It's filled with crazy characters at all hours! For example, you can walk in at 7 am and there will be 60-70 people still partying, women dancing on tables, music blasting and drinks flowing. Check it out! Beware: While this place is full of people from all over the world, there are some very dangerous characters alike. Because it's located near the top of 'hooker hill,' it has its run of Nigerian Pimps, prostitutes, and general low-lifers but they have excellent security. Exercise caution and good sense here!"
http://korea.wikia.com/wiki/Bars_in_Seoul |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:50 am Post subject: |
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Outside of Korea, most of these types would be too scared to start anything anyway. |
I'm not so sure. From what I've seen they assume that they can be as mouthy as they normally would be in Korea and that things will go down the same way. |
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Jodami
Joined: 08 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Looks like the fund is still stuck on $520.
10am.......Itaewon.......Old Town.....Korean men.......not surprised things took a turn for the worst. The Korean man obviously attempted to cock block and got his ass handed to him.
I too recognize the waygook,,,,,,,,,here he is, in his work attire.....
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2dZJYmtYs8Y/TtNwUnacS_I/AAAAAAAAAGg/zw62RUsc6rc/s1600/clown-3055.jpg |
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