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Sister Ray
Joined: 25 Mar 2006
Location: Fukuoka
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| I certainly don't want nicotine to be criminalised. I also do not have a congressman. |
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radcon
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Sister Ray wrote: |
| I certainly don't want nicotine to be criminalised. I also do not have a congressman. |
Then why would you deny business owners and their patrons from engaging in a legal activity in establishments and buildings that they own. |
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basic69isokay
Joined: 28 Sep 2014
Location: korea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:17 am Post subject: |
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Nicotine and alcohol are among the world's most dangerous drugs. Undeniable.
Depending.on where you are geographically in the world, they may be legal or illegal by law.
But make no mistake, cigs and alcohol will MESS YOU UP.
It's about time Korea reigns in the alcohol abuse as well.Attacking the high smoking rate is a nice start. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| Koreans need to smoke. The society is too stressful. It helps many relieve stress. This regulation is BS. |
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Wad
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:49 am Post subject: |
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Now if we can only get a "fat" tax in place. Slim down all those obese people who eat too much junk food. That can't be healthy either and a burden to health care costs.
What we need is more government in our lives telling us what we should and shouldn’t be putting in our bodies. People just aren't intelligent enough to make these decisions on their own. |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| Sister Ray wrote: |
| I certainly don't want nicotine to be criminalised. I also do not have a congressman. |
Then why would you deny business owners and their patrons from engaging in a legal activity in establishments and buildings that they own. |
It is for the same reason you can't drink and drive. It's your car, so why shouldn't you be able to drive drunken? Because it puts other people's lives at risk. Smoking just does it slower than a drunk driver. |
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basic69isokay
Joined: 28 Sep 2014
Location: korea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| Wad wrote: |
Now if we can only get a "fat" tax in place. Slim down all those obese people who eat too much junk food. That can't be healthy either and a burden to health care costs.
What we need is more government in our lives telling us what we should and shouldn’t be putting in our bodies. People just aren't intelligent enough to make these decisions on their own. |
I know it's sarcastic, but it's 100% true |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| Sister Ray wrote: |
But the sole argument you provided for the continued tolerance for smoking in bars was that no one is forced to go these places.
Opiates and nicotine are very similar drugs i.e. horrendously addictive and deleterious to one's health.
If nobody were forced to go to a shooting gallery in a "place of the night" why is total opiate prohibition "reasonable" but a few restrictions on where one can smoke tobacco some egregious violation of personal sovereignty?
Doesn't seem logically consistent to me. |
Legalization issues based on harm are another matter. If you want nicotine to be illegal take it up with you congressman. For now it's legal and business owners should be able to freely cater to this legal activity. |
What he said.
This is an activity that has long been legal. Customers regularly patronize bars and clubs with the expectation that they would be able to smoke.
In fact, it would be illegal for smokers to establish a bar explicitly for smoking and drinking.
This is about freedom of association and the concept of private property.
It just sucks that many of the people banning smoking in bars and clubs probably haven't set foot in one in decades. It should be the patrons and the free market that decide such things. Not every social problem requires a law. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| To quote the movie Henry Fool, "This place is losing all its charm, Mr. Deng." |
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Wad
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| basic69isokay wrote: |
| Wad wrote: |
Now if we can only get a "fat" tax in place. Slim down all those obese people who eat too much junk food. That can't be healthy either and a burden to health care costs.
What we need is more government in our lives telling us what we should and shouldn’t be putting in our bodies. People just aren't intelligent enough to make these decisions on their own. |
I know it's sarcastic, but it's 100% true |
Move to a totalitarian state then tell me how true it is! |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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Why can't businesses or bars just choose a ventilated area to create and folks can in there to have a puff? It makes no logical sense to get rid of the partitions in coffee shops or anywhere's else.
I rememebr being bale to smoke in nightclubs back home. Then, maybe about a year before coming to Korea, you couldn't anymore. You had to go outside, fumbling for your coat at the coatcheck, and go stand outside in minus 25 degree weather. Honestly, it's an effin bar. What else would expect but for there not be smokes and booze? I wasn't going out that much at that point because I was trying to save funds and prepare myself to get over here and I was desperately afraid of getting a chick pregnant because then I couldn't come over here either. So, didn't notice as much.
But, the once or twice I went over to one, it was a real buzz kill. I went home last year and smoked a bit. Hardly anybody smoked, but they certaintly were more fat. People smoked more in the past and were more slim. Nowadays, folks don't seem to smoke, but are quite hefty. Reach for the smokes or reach for the candy. Smoking suppresses appetite. I'm not saying people should take up smoking. But, pick your poison. If you're poor, especially, there's nothing else to do with your time except either smoke or snack on junk food. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Wad wrote: |
| basic69isokay wrote: |
| Wad wrote: |
Now if we can only get a "fat" tax in place. Slim down all those obese people who eat too much junk food. That can't be healthy either and a burden to health care costs.
What we need is more government in our lives telling us what we should and shouldn’t be putting in our bodies. People just aren't intelligent enough to make these decisions on their own. |
I know it's sarcastic, but it's 100% true |
Move to a totalitarian state then tell me how true it is! |
I think you're allowed to smoke in China. I hear folks even smoke in North Korea. |
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Qonny wrote: |
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I'm not an anti smoking nazi, but I'm glad that smokers have fewer chances to impose their low class, stinking habit upon me... |
Its a good thing you clarified you're not an anti-smoking Nazi, because judging by that remark I would have thought otherwise 
I'm not against people smoking, I just believe that cigarettes should be $1000 a pack and they should have to smoke them 1000 miles from civilization. |
I'm not a smoking nazi, but I think all smokers should just die!
OK - who can top that? 
PS. Don't forget to start with 'i'm not a smoking nazi'. |
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chopstick
Joined: 03 Oct 2012
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Korea is making moves to move into the 21st century. Wow.  |
the illiberal, draconian 21st century. if you hate smoking so much then you can go to places where no-one smokes. there are plenty of them.
i don't smoke but i defend the right of others to smoke, especially in designated smoking areas. |
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candy bar
Joined: 03 Dec 2012
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| nicwr2002 wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| Sister Ray wrote: |
| I certainly don't want nicotine to be criminalised. I also do not have a congressman. |
Then why would you deny business owners and their patrons from engaging in a legal activity in establishments and buildings that they own. |
It is for the same reason you can't drink and drive. It's your car, so why shouldn't you be able to drive drunken? Because it puts other people's lives at risk. Smoking just does it slower than a drunk driver. |
Hallelujah!
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