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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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Most Korean university jobs aren,t plum. And many of those that pay a little more hit their teachers with administive stuff and correcting.
A lot of schools that were good have fallen and more will. Have faith in in a Korean University at your own peril. There are few good jobs in Korea ( unless you have a phd) and before long there wont be any. One can not support a family on 2.7 ~ 3.2. The devil with having to take the Tofel to prove your and any school that doesnt allow extra work ought to be on a blacklist.
The main exception would be if one happens not to be a male |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| TheMeerkatLover wrote: |
It is for those qualified to keep their plum uni positions. Mine raised my salary substantially this year. Finished my final exams last Thursday and not expected to come to the office until the week before March semester starts.
If you're working in a hogwan, something must be very wrong with you or you're doing it all wrong. |
I'm happy for you. But not everyone wants to work at a University. I've taught at two Uni's here, but overall.. I always preferred teaching kids. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| TheMeerkatLover wrote: |
| If you're working in a hogwan, something must be very wrong with you or you're doing it all wrong. |
Hey man, no need to look down on everyone who doesn't have a good uni position and rub it in their face you do.
What exactly did those people do wrong?
Not being in Korea when uni jobs were easy to get?
That's not exactly a character flaw on their part. That's just luck on your part (you pompous ass).
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The rules for hiring have changed. The old days of 'networking' to get your position are more or less gone with the new hiring rules. People who are working at a uni are mostly not able to bypass the inspections that come with a faculty review.
To be hired today, you need 2 things.
1) A graduate degree (highly preferred from a Western university outside Korea) If you did your degree in Korea, your application will go to the bottom of the pile.
2) 2 years university dept. experience AFTER you graduated from you M.A./M.Ed studies.
Many will not like to accept this, but teaching adults, 'teacher's certificate', EPIK experience & hogwans are not considered in the experience bracket. Uniwon experience (hogwan in the university) is also NOT considered.
For your experience to count, you need to be hired as a faculty member for the university and work for a department. This includes all the extra work and duties that are assigned to those positions.
This rule came into full force last March. There WAS a 2-year 'blurry' period before that were some departments were able to get gov't funding for their faculty w/o the required experience + credentials. Those days are past now. If you don't have these requirements when hired, no funding. Simple as that.
Going out in the sticks to get hired is easier since there are fewer applicants willing to work there, but you still need to fulfill the hiring criteria.
This is especially a pain in the ass for those who were doing their MATESOLS at whatever shitty 3rd or 4th tier university and expecting to have their work experience count while they were studying. It doesn't.
Having documents ready doesn't mean anything unless you're meeting the criteria. Universities are surprisingly looking about 6 weeks earlier this year since the number of unfulfilled positions was unprecedented last March. I saw uni's advertising for positions to start in April (that went unfilled).
The gov't is quite serious in upping the hiring requirements for faculty. I would suspect they do not want graduates who did their studies here (for obvious reasons). They want people who studied in the West and are able to bring their work experience from abroad into their departments.
There have also been quite a few threads posted both on boards and facebook groups about people losing their jobs because they didn't meet the now enforced requirements. Very few were able to find replacement positions (in uniwons) and quite a few positions are now showing a bi-polar mentality. Some uni's think there are lines of qualified people just waiting to apply and are offering lack luster packages. Others are offering better salaries and conditions to ensure they can attract and keep the faculty they have (I suspect because they had so much difficulty last spring replacing anyone who left).
So regardless of what anyone here says, if you don't have the requirements listed above your chances are extremely poor (unless someone is willing to hire you against gov't policy). |
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kingplaya4
Joined: 14 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| How on earth are you supposed to get the experience if no one will hire you? The only people that would be qualified would be old timers that taught at university when things were loose and then got their MA later. I suppose they could try to recruit lecturers from back home, and I wouldn't be surprised if a few didn't come over for the standard 3 million or whatever it is, but I can't see them filling all positions this way. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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Everyone over 30 should be forced out of Korea and teaching altogether. Then the market would be open to everyone else, it's their turn. Kick the old white men out! Kick them out! Kick them out!  |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| kingplaya4 wrote: |
| How on earth are you supposed to get the experience if no one will hire you? |
You can't (which is asinine).
The stupid rule benefits an old boys club of (mostly mediocre) teachers who got in back when hiring standards were almost nonexistent.
Some of these guys are extremely pompous and pretentious. But the joke's on them. They make less than half of their similarly educated peers back home (while university conditions steadily decline). Not having had money paid into their retirement account will hurt them big time in the future.
Will universities be able to fill every position?
Yes.
Why?
There are more "qualified" applicants than position openings. This is why wages and conditions have not improved at all following the requirement. How can this be you say?
1) Uni teachers are working longer hours (often times for no corresponding increase in payment). If two can do the job of three, that means less workers needed to be on payroll.
2) Student enrollment numbers are plummeting. Universities are being shut down.
3) Korean teachers are doing jobs previously done by NETs. Koreans who got their PhD abroad (in a field such as linguistics) are being preferred over NETs with MATESOLs for teaching English conversation classes. |
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kingplaya4
Joined: 14 May 2006
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| Thanks for explaining that one, I really couldn't understand the logic. I think it's time most of us found other careers. I've never worked at or applied for a university, but I thought it was something I could upgrade to soon. Apparently not. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Died By Bear wrote: |
| Everyone over 30 should be forced out of Korea and teaching altogether. Then the market would be open to everyone else, it's their turn. Kick the old white men out! Kick them out! Kick them out! |
You want to take our jobs.
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| kingplaya4 wrote: |
| How on earth are you supposed to get the experience if no one will hire you? The only people that would be qualified would be old timers that taught at university when things were loose and then got their MA later. |
As far as I know, it doesn't have to be experience in Korea. I'm not saying it's a good regulation, but it's not completely absurd... well, it is, but not in the way you suspect. |
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Seon-bee
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: ROK
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| Finished my final exams last Thursday and not expected to come to the office until the week before March semester starts. |
Don't you have to grade these finals? Shouldn't you enter grades and then wait for students to complain? If you're already on vacation and out of the office I guess you don't have to submit any paperwork either? So lucky. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:38 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Died By Bear wrote: |
| Everyone over 30 should be forced out of Korea and teaching altogether. Then the market would be open to everyone else, it's their turn. Kick the old white men out! Kick them out! Kick them out! |
You want to take our jobs. |
Yea those plum jobs are ours! Take a hike wannabe. You don't have the qualifications or the experience. |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| You don't have the qualifications or the experience. |
Exactly, you gotta first get the dubious on-line Masters in Tesol or linguistics (how the hell is that even offered as a Masters in the first place?)
Then you gotta get the requisite socially "off" personality that is a common trait among most waygooks who have been in Korea for more than 4 years.
Then you gotta come across as weird. But not weird in some kind of intellectual way. You just gotta be weird.
Then you gotta delude yourself into believing that you're on the top of the expat social hierarchy, even though you're more unemployable back home than the 23 year-old newbie at Toss English. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| You don't have the qualifications or the experience. |
Exactly, you gotta first get the dubious on-line Masters in Tesol or linguistics (how the hell is that even offered as a Masters in the first place?)
Then you gotta get the requisite socially "off" personality that is a common trait among most waygooks who have been in Korea for more than 4 years.
Then you gotta come across as weird. But not weird in some kind of intellectual way. You just gotta be weird.
Then you gotta delude yourself into believing that you're on the top of the expat social hierarchy, even though you're more unemployable back home than the 23 year-old newbie at Toss English. |
The delusion part is absolutely essential. But it seems quite easy to come by in SK. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Yep, anyone who has a better job than you must be a socially inept weirdo. 6th form mentality. |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
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| You don't have the qualifications or the experience. |
Exactly, you gotta first get the dubious on-line Masters in Tesol or linguistics (how the hell is that even offered as a Masters in the first place?)
Then you gotta get the requisite socially "off" personality that is a common trait among most waygooks who have been in Korea for more than 4 years.
Then you gotta come across as weird. But not weird in some kind of intellectual way. You just gotta be weird.
Then you gotta delude yourself into believing that you're on the top of the expat social hierarchy, even though you're more unemployable back home than the 23 year-old newbie at Toss English. |
The delusion part is absolutely essential. But it seems quite easy to come by in SK. |
To be fair, I've met many uni guys who were very down to earth and cool. One guy openly laughed about what a joke it was, and how 99.9 percent of the waygooks working in Korean uni's could never ever hold a uni job in a western country.
At the same time, I've met uni guys who really think they're some kind of elite.
Those ones just come across as weird and a bit unhinged upstairs. |
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