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Korea's sex workers per capita
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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People used to feel abhorrence and shame about homosexuality, as well...yes?


Yes but I think for different reasons. It's the act of turning what most people still feel is a meaningful emotional act into a financial transaction that people feel shame about, not the sex itself. Most prostitutes don't like what they do (for gay people it's their whole identity)and most of their customers would prefer to get what they're after from a girlfriend or wife. Prostitution is perfectly legal and above board in countries like Holland but I still think most people there if asked, would still not want their daughters to become one.

Of course now homosexuality is legal and above board in most of the West there are still people, as WT points out, who wouldn't want their children to turn out gay but I think it's less common nowadays. I don't think people's attitudes about prostitution have changed that much and I don't think they're likely to either. For me it's something more akin to usury, which has always been around, has sometimes been legal and sometimes not but has rarely been a profession people are proud about.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to know how many are actually Koreans. Because one time while sitting in that massive new Bangkok International Airport, waiting for my flight to Seoul, I saw some Korean guy with that typical kakdugi haircut (the supposed Korean gangster haircut) holding the Thai passports of 5 Thai women. From my perspective it was pretty obvious that they were headed to Korea for night activities, or perhaps some of them may go on to Japan for Japan's industry of the carnal nature. It seemed traffic naive girls into Korea is pretty common.

If Korea were really serious on cutting down on prostitutes, the customs official would simply turn them away and arrest their 'guide'.
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radcon



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the most important quotes in the history of Western civilization: " I don't pay hookers for sex, I pay them to leave."
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt one would have to pay them to leave. They're probably trying to get out as soon as possible too. (Time is money and all that.)
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World Traveler



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Cosmic Hum wrote:
You speak for everyone on this subject do you?

The Asian countries in which majorities said that society should not accept homosexuality were South Korea, China, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Pakistan.

In South Korea 59 percent of people said society should not accept homosexuality compared to 39 percent of people that disagreed. These numbers signaled the largest shift in public opinion on homosexuality since Pew last posed this question in 2007. At that time, 77 percent of South Koreans said society should not accept homosexuality while 18 percent said it should.


Looks like the perception's changing. But still most people in the country in which you live are against it.

Incidentally, it seems like less Koreans are visiting brothels. So maybe the perception there is changing as well. (It is becoming less common/less acceptable as their society becomes more advanced.)
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One of the most important quotes in the history of Western civilization: " I don't pay hookers for sex, I pay them to leave."


That assumes the speaker is the kind of guy a woman would want to spend time with in the first place. A lot of guys who visit prostitutes aren't.

Also according to prostitutes' testimonies a lot of guys don't pay hookers for sex, they just pay them for a kind word and some company.
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radcon



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
I doubt one would have to pay them to leave. They're probably trying to get out as soon as possible too. (Time is money and all that.)


You are not really quick on the uptake, are you?
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I doubt one would have to pay them to leave. They're probably trying to get out as soon as possible too. (Time is money and all that.)


I think you're missing the point, which is that a girlfriend or wife would require a man to give her a bit of a cuddle after sex and want to still be in the bed the next morning. A prostitute as you say would want to leave ASAP.
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radcon



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
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One of the most important quotes in the history of Western civilization: " I don't pay hookers for sex, I pay them to leave."


That assumes the speaker is the kind of guy a woman would want to spend time with in the first place. A lot of guys who visit prostitutes aren't.

Also according to prostitutes' testimonies a lot of guys don't pay hookers for sex, they just pay them for a kind word and some company.


All true. Wives and girlfriends are time consuming. Wives and girlfriends have a plethora of needs you may not want to fulfill. When all is said and done wives and girlfriends will probably be more expensive than hookers.
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World Traveler



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BUT...you're less likely to catch HIV/herpes/genital warts/gonorrhea/chlamydia/syphilis/etc from a girlfriend or wife. (Treating that can be quite expensive.) Plus you're actually making a real bond and human connection with a person with whom you can build a relationship. Going to prostitutes = a really bad idea.
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radcon



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
BUT...you're less likely to catch HIV/herpes/genital warts/gonorrhea/chlamydia/syphilis/etc from a girlfriend or wife. (Treating that can be quite expensive.) Plus you're actually making a real bond and human connection with a person with whom you can build a relationship. Going to prostitutes = a really bad idea.


Human bond and connections? All nice stuff until the divorce comes and you hate each others guts and fight over petty stuff and rip apart the lives of innocent children. Tell us World Traveler, what percentage of marriages end in divorce in the West.
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World Traveler



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

radcon wrote:
Tell us World Traveler, what percentage of marriages end in divorce in the West.

What percentage? Less than 50%, meaning the majority do not. (My God, you are cynical.)
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Tara Parker-Pope's book, "For Better," notes that in the 1970s, 23 percent of college graduates who got married were divorced ten years later. Since that number dropped to 16 percent in the 1990s, that indicates a trend that education also has an impact on a marriage's success.
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The Cosmic Hum



Joined: 09 May 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:

It's the act of turning what most people still feel is a meaningful emotional act into a financial transaction that people feel shame about, not the sex itself.

Appreciate your thoughts on this subject.
I suspect it is 'entirely' about the sex itself.

If you don't mind my rewording your sentiment a bit.
It is the act of turning what could be a simple financial transaction into an emotional act that creates untold problems in modern society.

The alternatives present in society today are not particularly pleasant.
Marriage or celibacy. Everything else is shamed upon.

If smoking caused cancer with 50% of participants, it would be illegal.
Yet it is less than 8%, and we all kinda know where the consensus is going on this one.
The divorce rate causes untold misery and hovers around the 50% rate.
Yet, people continue to marry.
Why? Lack of un-shamed alternatives.
While prostitution has a sordid history, it has no where to go but up, in terms of social understanding.
Marriage on the other hand, well...its success, or lack thereof, brings into question just what level of shame it can deliver one from.
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World Traveler



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Cosmic Hum wrote:
If smoking caused cancer with 50% of participants, it would be illegal.

"About half of cigarette smokers die of tobacco-related disease"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette

The Cosmic Hum wrote:
The divorce rate causes untold misery and hovers around the 50% rate.
Yet, people continue to marry.

"Divorce rates have been dropping during the last few decades. Data indicates that marriages have lasted longer in the 21st century than they did in the 1990s."
http://qz.com/306166/the-divorce-stat-that-just-keeps-cheating-50/
"Of college-educated people who married in the early 2000s, only about 11 percent divorced by their seventh anniversary, the last year for which data is available."
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The Cosmic Hum



Joined: 09 May 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
"Divorce rates have been dropping during the last few decades. Data indicates that marriages have lasted longer in the 21st century than they did in the 1990s."
http://qz.com/306166/the-divorce-stat-that-just-keeps-cheating-50/
"Of college-educated people who married in the early 2000s, only about 11 percent divorced by their seventh anniversary, the last year for which data is available."

...only about 11% after 7 years???
Why would the authors use the word 'only' in that way?

Why not 'a staggering 11% after only 7 years of marriage"?
An agenda perhaps?

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To that end, here is our disclosure: This article represents the opinions of two left-leaning egghead authors of a book about society’s attitudes surrounding marriage and divorce. Our goal is to promote rational discussion about marriage and family life in our country. Unfortunately, we can’t provide a single definitive statistical analysis of divorce, because none exists.

Thanks for coming out.
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