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Died By Bear

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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:29 am Post subject: The last three minutes of this video |
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Made me tear up. Not beta tearing, mind you.
Now I'll warn you, it's an 8 minute video and the really good stuff is in the last three minutes.
See updated post 3 below for link to video.
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Steelrails

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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Made me tear up. Not beta tearing, mind you. |
Ah, tears of sweat and turpentine. |
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cmxc
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:56 pm Post subject: bs |
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While everyone can sympathize with the plight of the former comfort women, what Korea's government is trying to do is simply outrageous.
World War II ended roughly 70 years ago (it will be 2015 in just a few days and the war ended in 1945). Virtually all the Korean chaebols took over Japanese occupation manufacturing, etc. Park Chung Hee was a former Japanese military officer.
In 1965, Park Chung Hee normalized relations with Japan (1965 Korea-Japan Normalization Treat). This agreement settled ALL outstanding claims against Japan by Korea.
Further, the Japanese govt was willing to compensate individuals, but the Korean government insisted that it receive all monies from Japan and that the Korean government would distribute the money to Korean individuals.
Instead Korea used the money to create POSCO and provide seed money to many current Korean chaebols. In other words, the money is gone and used in a reverse Robbin Hood type scenario.
The surviving comfort women should be demanding compensation from the Korean government! The Korean government (heavily influenced by the US) made the agreement with Japan.
It is shameful that the Korean government abdicates it's responsibility and tries to force all responsibility on Japan. How many Korean business men were providing prostitutes to the Japanese army?
How many prostitutes were servicing US soldiers following the Korean war?
How many prostitutes are still struggling to survive in today's modern Korea?
Yet Korea's government directs all Korean anger toward Japan.
Japan is not a good guy, but they are not the enemy either. The Korean government is the true enemy of the people. What they are trying to get away with is simply outrageous. |
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slothrop
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:55 am Post subject: |
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Died By Bear

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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:08 am Post subject: |
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I really screwed up. That was not the video I wanted you guys to watch. I can't give you back your 8 minutes.
The video was about human rights in North Korea.
Shit.
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Died By Bear

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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:09 am Post subject: |
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Correct link, I'm sorry about your previous 8 minutes, I promise to be more careful in the future.
http://youtu.be/pQEy9IBehfA
안보리의 북한 상황 의제 채택시 주유엔대사 발언
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Steelrails

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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:51 am Post subject: |
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I think its hard for us to sometimes understand the full context of the Korean-Japanese relationship.
A lot of people think that Korea and Japan should be like Great Britain and Germany. And many respects, they are. However, there are important differences that get lost. For starters, Japan has never really atoned and apologized for its WWII actions, not like the Germans did. They've issued statements of regret but getting full-fledged apologies, both diplomatic and heartfelt is like pulling teeth. Some people think statements of regret are the same. THEY ARE NOT. A statement of regret is a very careful selection of words and anyone who has studied international law and international relations knows that it is far different from an apology and acceptance of responsibility.
Also, there is something of a "We know these people better than you do". We may think everyone is friends, but underneath people's outward face are underlying attitudes. The Japanese and Koreans may say the right public things about being friendly to one another, but underneath I think many might have different attitudes. They've dealt with each other since before the countries of Canada, the US, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand heck, Germany and Italy, even existed. . They've been dealing with each other They'll always be neighbors and always have to deal with each other. They will be neighbors forever, long after America leaves and who knows? Maybe no longer exists.
A better future has to be made. People were skeptical about Europe, and well, things still look unsteady, but there is hope. But I think its a bit ignorant for some people to just come in here and discount 500 years of conflict, underlying attitudes, and Japanese reticence when it comes to accepting responsibility. |
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slothrop
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:25 am Post subject: |
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Died By Bear

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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:27 am Post subject: |
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Goddammit the video isn't about )#(*&^ Japan!  |
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slothrop
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:29 am Post subject: |
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you honeydicked us! |
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Died By Bear

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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:35 am Post subject: |
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slothrop wrote: |
you honeydicked us! |
I thought you were honeydickin me!
Cue the Nork Hotties walk in without any clothing to speak of... |
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atwood
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Died By Bear wrote: |
slothrop wrote: |
you honeydicked us! |
I thought you were honeydickin me!
Cue the Nork Hotties walk in without any clothing to speak of... |
To reference your OP---no use crying over spilt milk. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
I think its hard for us to sometimes understand the full context of the Korean-Japanese relationship.
A lot of people think that Korea and Japan should be like Great Britain and Germany. And many respects, they are. However, there are important differences that get lost. For starters, Japan has never really atoned and apologized for its WWII actions, not like the Germans did. They've issued statements of regret but getting full-fledged apologies, both diplomatic and heartfelt is like pulling teeth. Some people think statements of regret are the same. THEY ARE NOT. A statement of regret is a very careful selection of words and anyone who has studied international law and international relations knows that it is far different from an apology and acceptance of responsibility.
Also, there is something of a "We know these people better than you do". We may think everyone is friends, but underneath people's outward face are underlying attitudes. The Japanese and Koreans may say the right public things about being friendly to one another, but underneath I think many might have different attitudes. They've dealt with each other since before the countries of Canada, the US, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand heck, Germany and Italy, even existed. . They've been dealing with each other They'll always be neighbors and always have to deal with each other. They will be neighbors forever, long after America leaves and who knows? Maybe no longer exists.
A better future has to be made. People were skeptical about Europe, and well, things still look unsteady, but there is hope. But I think its a bit ignorant for some people to just come in here and discount 500 years of conflict, underlying attitudes, and Japanese reticence when it comes to accepting responsibility. |
Koreans continue to be sore losers. It's one of the few traditions they have, and they're not giving it up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ4fD3rJt8E |
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