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denverdeath
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| slothrop wrote: |
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| wait until you see their application when they ask for church and pastor info. Not as bad as some schools but still annoying |
do tell. what do some other schools ask that is more outrageous than that? |
Some people MAY think it's extremely outrageous that a school DOESN'T ask for that crap, but whatever.  |
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earthquakez
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| Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| slothrop wrote: |
| hogwonguy1979 wrote: |
| wait until you see their application when they ask for church and pastor info. Not as bad as some schools but still annoying |
do tell. what do some other schools ask that is more outrageous than that? |
Some schools request applicants sign a waver agreeing to allow them to check credit histories at various credit bureaus. |
And that's why it's time for the better, more qualified teachers to move on from Korea.
If the job is at some super level with high pay then maybe I understand this kind of check. But come on, let's face it, if you are going through that kind of rubbish to get the usual Korean jobs then you need to ask yourself why you are so desperate that you are prepared to be jerked around like this.
Just say 'No' to teaching English in Korea. Unless you are very qualified and the pay and conditions reflect that. |
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naturegirl321
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Location: Home sweet home
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| slothrop wrote: |
| hogwonguy1979 wrote: |
| wait until you see their application when they ask for church and pastor info. Not as bad as some schools but still annoying |
do tell. what do some other schools ask that is more outrageous than that? |
There was a Nazarene uni that required you to sign something that said you wouldn't smoke or drink. And I think you needed a pastor reference. But these are religious schools. |
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Roman Holiday
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| slothrop wrote: |
| hogwonguy1979 wrote: |
| wait until you see their application when they ask for church and pastor info. Not as bad as some schools but still annoying |
do tell. what do some other schools ask that is more outrageous than that? |
There was a Nazarene uni that required you to sign something that said you wouldn't smoke or drink. And I think you needed a pastor reference. But these are religious schools. |
If I remember correctly, there was something mentioned about homosexuality also. : ) |
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hogwonguy1979
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I never saw credit checks for Korean Univs, you really think a US credit agency would even turn over such info? Not sure how Korean credit reports go, don't think many foreigners would even have one, maybe if you pay your cell phone bill late or have a non-secured Korean CC
Regarding the religious stuff besides Yonsei asking for church and pastor information, many Korean Univs especially the evangelical ones want letters from churches, some as part of the app process want a "testimony" about your personal relationship et al. At some univs even if you havent had to give this info., a chaplain will be involved in the interview asking questions about where you go to church etc. I had that happen and I just bs'ed something. Some schools will make you attend weekly chapel services (that school I interviewed with that had the chaplain their made their Korean faculty attend the weekly chapel services, us foreign staff were exampt. In terms of conduct codes, that Nazarene Univ has to be the worst.
By far Korean evangelicals are the worst by far I've seen outside of say Liberty Univ or Bob Jones Univ |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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withnail
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul, South Korea.
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Got to say, none of the above applies to Yonsei.
It is a fantastic place to work and treats the foreign staff extremely well.
Its terms and conditions are superior to any I have experienced or seen advertised anywhere.
Just extremely hard to get in! |
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World Traveler
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Stan Rogers
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how do they interpret credit reports? do they look at them like financial CRC's? like if you're in default on student loans or credit card debt they don't hire you?
or do they look at your credit rating? in which case even if you are not in default but have massive debt you have a low score?
even foreigners with no debt that've been out of their home countries for a long time would have low scores, right? because they have no activity?
or do they just want to make sure you have enough debt that you aren't financially independent and can't tell them to take their job and shove it up their butts when they try and screw you?hahaha |
Scumbags don't pay their bills. I'm sure a few foreign names would pop up at some Korean credit bureaus. Lots of foreigners leave the country with unpaid bills and then return like nothing happened. That's what they are looking for. I don't know if they extend their searches to foreign countries, but it wouldn't be difficult to check up on a person with so much personal information floating around on the internet now.
I think it's a useful tool to weed out some candidates and reduce chances of possible problems for a school in the future. |
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earthquakez
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
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how do they interpret credit reports? do they look at them like financial CRC's? like if you're in default on student loans or credit card debt they don't hire you?
or do they look at your credit rating? in which case even if you are not in default but have massive debt you have a low score?
even foreigners with no debt that've been out of their home countries for a long time would have low scores, right? because they have no activity?
or do they just want to make sure you have enough debt that you aren't financially independent and can't tell them to take their job and shove it up their butts when they try and screw you?hahaha |
Scumbags don't pay their bills. I'm sure a few foreign names would pop up at some Korean credit bureaus. Lots of foreigners leave the country with unpaid bills and then return like nothing happened. That's what they are looking for. I don't know if they extend their searches to foreign countries, but it wouldn't be difficult to check up on a person with so much personal information floating around on the internet now.
I think it's a useful tool to weed out some candidates and reduce chances of possible problems for a school in the future. |
Oh yes of course, especially as not one Korean in other countries lives illegally there, engages in fraud or clocks up bills whether they be tax bills, rent, and car loans and doesn't pay them.  The UK has had problems for years with people from just about every country on the planet including South Korea going there and leaving behind literally stacks of unpaid bills.
There are also plenty of Koreans living illegally in the US as I found out first-hand when I lived there for a while. Accumulating debts under false ID as illegals or not even under false names at all as temporary residents owing to the fact that literally millions of Koreans have the same names as millios others.
Plenty of Koreans along with mostly other Asians have cheated the Australian Govt as university students by postponing tuition fees payments because they got themselves permanent residency. What they did after racking up thousands of dollars of what are basically cheap loans from the Australian taxpayer as part of the privilege of permanent residency, was to spit in the face of Australians and return to Korea having paid not one cent of their university tuition fees. There were a few articles in newspapers in Australia about this scamming of the system when I worked there.
Believe me Ozzies get might pizzed off by these kind of scams. Just like my fellow Brits do by Koreans and others running off home without paying any number of bills. Apparently the unpaid car loans is a relatively common scam by Asian students in Australia, including Koreans.
But you don't see us engaging in the Korean practice mentioned in this thread. There is no need to justify it especially as the Koreans don't receive that kind of treatment in native English speakers' countries. Yet again an example of the Korean sense of entitlement by one rule for them, one rule for everybody else.
Your indignation is completely misplaced. |
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slothrop
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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He who has the money makes the rules.
I do not know the details about what the Koreans are looking for, how they go about it or why they think it's important. I've just seen documents from a couple of schools that said they check with "various credit bureaus." How wide spread it is, I do not know. I don't have any credit issues so I don't care. |
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