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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it pays, then they'd do it. e.g. Angelina's Coffee has begun offering discounts to customers ordering in 'pleasant' manner.
If it's in the smart phones, children will learn from it. They are capable of installing a profanity filter on text messages, but they don't. They can make games based on manners but they don't.

Last year there was a study done by Edu Min in Korea. They asked 100 elementary students chosen at random to speak for a minute without swearing or using foul language. All 100 failed! Laughing Bad manners are everywhere, starting from the nation's parlement and no one knows what is right and wrong, anymore. $ Laughing $
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schwa



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andrewchon wrote:
Last year there was a study done by Edu Min in Korea. They asked 100 elementary students chosen at random to speak for a minute without swearing or using foul language. All 100 failed!

Calling bullshit. Reference?
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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
andrewchon wrote:
Last year there was a study done by Edu Min in Korea. They asked 100 elementary students chosen at random to speak for a minute without swearing or using foul language. All 100 failed!

Calling bullshit. Reference?


I heard it on MBC news. Since MBC has no obligation to truth-in-broadcasting, BS call is highly justified. However, it is quite believable, since adults and children have different standards in what is 'foul language'. Laughing

'There's no evidence against it' argument is SO annoying,isn't it? $ Laughing Laughing Laughing $
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Cave Dweller



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No more than your stupid emoticon sig.

andrewchon wrote:
schwa wrote:
andrewchon wrote:
Last year there was a study done by Edu Min in Korea. They asked 100 elementary students chosen at random to speak for a minute without swearing or using foul language. All 100 failed!

Calling bullshit. Reference?


I heard it on MBC news. Since MBC has no obligation to truth-in-broadcasting, BS call is highly justified. However, it is quite believable, since adults and children have different standards in what is 'foul language'. Laughing

'There's no evidence against it' argument is SO annoying,isn't it? $ Laughing Laughing Laughing $
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Old Painless



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Americans need these classes more than any other country



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GJoeM



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote "If a Dr. Ahn was a convert to Hinduism, do you really think many Koreans would care?"

Yes, of course they would care. How many Koreans do you know who convert to Hinduism, and how many Koreans do you know who accept such difference?

"If Ban Kim Moon was a Sikh convert would people not consider voting for him? He would still likely win."

Perhaps you mean Ban Ki Moon -- he's quite famous you know -- and do you honestly think Koreans would accept a Korean in a Turban and silver bracelet, with a beard, facial hair and flowing hair they never cut? That is what serious Sikhs do. And if he converted, you'd presume he was serious about it.



"Sorry, but I don't think Koreans would really care that much if the person was any religion save Islam (although not as strong back home) and Shinto. If it wasn't for the GWoT, they wouldn't care about Islam either."

Are you for real? For someone who has lived here a long time, as I believe you have, you seem to know very little about Koreans' ultra conservativism, lack of acceptance of outsiders, and their prejudice against difference. Also, Koreans associate ALL the religions you mentioned with dark skinned people, and poor people, who you might have noticed aren't exactly popular in Korea. Not only that, but even within 'accepted' religious groups in Korea ( Protestant, Catholic, Buddhist and Shaman), there is significant intolerance, considerable prejudice and outright hatred.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GJoeM wrote:
Steelrails wrote "If a Dr. Ahn was a convert to Hinduism, do you really think many Koreans would care?"

Yes, of course they would care. How many Koreans do you know who convert to Hinduism, and how many Koreans do you know who accept such difference?

"If Ban Kim Moon was a Sikh convert would people not consider voting for him? He would still likely win."

Perhaps you mean Ban Ki Moon -- he's quite famous you know -- and do you honestly think Koreans would accept a Korean in a Turban and silver bracelet, with a beard, facial hair and flowing hair they never cut? That is what serious Sikhs do. And if he converted, you'd presume he was serious about it.



"Sorry, but I don't think Koreans would really care that much if the person was any religion save Islam (although not as strong back home) and Shinto. If it wasn't for the GWoT, they wouldn't care about Islam either."

Are you for real? For someone who has lived here a long time, as I believe you have, you seem to know very little about Koreans' ultra conservativism, lack of acceptance of outsiders, and their prejudice against difference. Also, Koreans associate ALL the religions you mentioned with dark skinned people, and poor people, who you might have noticed aren't exactly popular in Korea. Not only that, but even within 'accepted' religious groups in Korea ( Protestant, Catholic, Buddhist and Shaman), there is significant intolerance, considerable prejudice and outright hatred.


Yes, I know it's Ban KI Moon. It's called a typo.

Well, that is your opinion. However, nothing in Korea's record indicates that they would reject a candidate based upon their religion (again, except for Shinto or perhaps Islam). Why would they be against Hinduism? They accept Buddhism alright. Ban Ki Moon's stature would still be held in high regard whether he had a turban on or not. Sure there might be a small minority who would have an issue, but most would not.

You say Korea has all this prejudice, yet compared to some countries in "tolerant" Europe, they seem to not have quite the xenophobia that exists there. The proof is in the record- A Catholic, a Protestant, a Buddhist, and an Atheist have all been president. The country hasn't fractured. There isn't sectarian strife.

And if we're going to pull out the "lived in Korea so long should know" card, then you should know that Koreans worship success, status, and money. Those matter more to them than religion. We constantly harp on them for being that way. Well, it holds true in this case. Status trumps religion when it comes to choosing their leaders.
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atwood



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
GJoeM wrote:
Steelrails wrote "If a Dr. Ahn was a convert to Hinduism, do you really think many Koreans would care?"

Yes, of course they would care. How many Koreans do you know who convert to Hinduism, and how many Koreans do you know who accept such difference?

"If Ban Kim Moon was a Sikh convert would people not consider voting for him? He would still likely win."

Perhaps you mean Ban Ki Moon -- he's quite famous you know -- and do you honestly think Koreans would accept a Korean in a Turban and silver bracelet, with a beard, facial hair and flowing hair they never cut? That is what serious Sikhs do. And if he converted, you'd presume he was serious about it.



"Sorry, but I don't think Koreans would really care that much if the person was any religion save Islam (although not as strong back home) and Shinto. If it wasn't for the GWoT, they wouldn't care about Islam either."

Are you for real? For someone who has lived here a long time, as I believe you have, you seem to know very little about Koreans' ultra conservativism, lack of acceptance of outsiders, and their prejudice against difference. Also, Koreans associate ALL the religions you mentioned with dark skinned people, and poor people, who you might have noticed aren't exactly popular in Korea. Not only that, but even within 'accepted' religious groups in Korea ( Protestant, Catholic, Buddhist and Shaman), there is significant intolerance, considerable prejudice and outright hatred.


Yes, I know it's Ban KI Moon. It's called a typo.

Well, that is your opinion. However, nothing in Korea's record indicates that they would reject a candidate based upon their religion (again, except for Shinto or perhaps Islam). Why would they be against Hinduism? They accept Buddhism alright. Ban Ki Moon's stature would still be held in high regard whether he had a turban on or not. Sure there might be a small minority who would have an issue, but most would not.

You say Korea has all this prejudice, yet compared to some countries in "tolerant" Europe, they seem to not have quite the xenophobia that exists there. The proof is in the record- A Catholic, a Protestant, a Buddhist, and an Atheist have all been president. The country hasn't fractured. There isn't sectarian strife.

And if we're going to pull out the "lived in Korea so long should know" card, then you should know that Koreans worship success, status, and money. Those matter more to them than religion. We constantly harp on them for being that way. Well, it holds true in this case. Status trumps religion when it comes to choosing their leaders.

And I'm sure you have the polling data to support your conjectures right?

Why would religion be excepted from Koeran xenophobia?
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GJoeM



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote "Ban Ki Moon's stature would still be held in high regard whether he had a turban on or not. Sure there might be a small minority who would have an issue, but most would not."

Good grief man, you know nothing whatsoever about Korea or Koreans' ultra conservatism, rejection of difference, their intense drive to exclude those that are outside the pack and their xenophobia -- the image of Ban Ki Moon in a turban, uncut flowing hair, bangles and beard is really one Koreans would go for...

The discussion ends here.


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GJoeM



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote "yet compared to some countries in "tolerant" Europe, they seem to not have quite the xenophobia that exists there."

A comparison so vague,unspecific, sweepingly generic, colosally stupid, clumsy and inept it is not worthy of answering...
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

atwood wrote:

And I'm sure you have the polling data to support your conjectures right?

Why would religion be excepted from Koeran xenophobia?


Do you have any polling data to support the reverse?

In the end, we have Korea's record of the religion of its elected leaders.

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Good grief man, you know nothing whatsoever about Korea or Koreans' ultra conservatism, rejection of difference, their intense drive to exclude those that are outside the pack and their xenophobia -- the image of Ban Ki Moon in a turban, uncut flowing hair, bangles and beard is really one Koreans would go for...


I think you overexaggerate that xenophobia. No one is firebombing mosques or even protesting their construction. No one cares if someone wears hijab or niqab. No one cares if some foreigner stands on a street corner and preaches Scientology or Jainism or whatever. If Koreans were half as xenophobic as you are making them out to be, this place would be unlivable. You would flee in mortal terror of your life.

And the title "Secretary General of the United Nations" would trump the turban and beard. If you don't understand that about Koreans, then you don't know what you are talking about. In fact, you'd probably get some Korean Hindu cult start-up that bilks money out of its followers and promises them that they'll all turn out successful like Ban Ki Moon. THAT is the Korean reaction to things.

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A comparison so vague,unspecific, sweepingly generic, colosally stupid, clumsy and inept it is not worthy of answering...


Fine. Korea has nothing like the rabid xenophobia National Front, the BNP, True Finns, Freedom Party, Swiss People's Party, Golden Dawn, etc.

If the Koreans were really THAT out to get you, you'd be got already.
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GJoeM



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good grief man, it's really not worth reasoning with you, you are probably as daft as your avatar, but here's a last attempt --

ALL of those parties you mentioned ( besides Golden Dawn ) are DESPISED, scorned, marginalised and laughed at by mainstream society, savaged and pilloried in the press and in the colleges, and they only have a very restricted underground hardcore membership.

Admitting to having anything to do with those groups is social and career SUICIDE in Europe, whilst aggressive nationalism is not only acceptable here in Korea, it's encouraged and taught specifically -- in fact there is significant legal procedure in place in UK to stop people who belong to those groups you mentioned even being employed in many jobs -- BNP and NF members are BLOCKED from holding jobs in the public sector ( teaching, fire service, council jobs, ambulance etc )

You really are daft aren't you -- you haven't even lived in Europe, so why are you mouthing off about it anyway?

If you knew anything at all about Europe, you'd understand that for most people, it is the sheer NUMBERS of immigrants that is causing the reaction, not the new comers' skin colour, way of speaking, or their culture -- people in Europe are pi**ed off about huge strain on public services, housing, schools, etc and NOT the skin shade or racial blood lines.
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GJoeM



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More proof of your daftness -- steelrails wrote, "I think you overexaggerate that xenophobia. No one is firebombing mosques or even protesting their construction. No one cares if someone wears hijab or niqab. No one cares if some foreigner stands on a street corner and preaches Scientology or Jainism or whatever."

There's no point in commenting on what you say, but let me know how it goes for you if you stand up in full Muslim clothing, with flowing beard and prayer cap, outside Seoul Station, with a Holy Qoran in hand, and preach - just let me know how it goes.

Or, if you prefer, you could stand there semi-naked as Jain monks do, with an alms bowl -- let me know how that goes.

Oh, and no one in Korea is protesting moques being built -- because not many are being built man ! As far as I know, there's a mosque in Itaewon, and there are likely to be a few more discreetly peppered here and there, but very few --

And no one in Korea is protesting hijab, because outside of touristy areas -- you rarely see it worn anyway... Good grief....


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
atwood wrote:

And I'm sure you have the polling data to support your conjectures right?

Why would religion be excepted from Koeran xenophobia?


Do you have any polling data to support the reverse?

In the end, we have Korea's record of the religion of its elected leaders.

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Good grief man, you know nothing whatsoever about Korea or Koreans' ultra conservatism, rejection of difference, their intense drive to exclude those that are outside the pack and their xenophobia -- the image of Ban Ki Moon in a turban, uncut flowing hair, bangles and beard is really one Koreans would go for...


I think you overexaggerate that xenophobia. No one is firebombing mosques or even protesting their construction. No one cares if someone wears hijab or niqab. No one cares if some foreigner stands on a street corner and preaches Scientology or Jainism or whatever. If Koreans were half as xenophobic as you are making them out to be, this place would be unlivable. You would flee in mortal terror of your life.

And the title "Secretary General of the United Nations" would trump the turban and beard. If you don't understand that about Koreans, then you don't know what you are talking about. In fact, you'd probably get some Korean Hindu cult start-up that bilks money out of its followers and promises them that they'll all turn out successful like Ban Ki Moon. THAT is the Korean reaction to things.

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A comparison so vague,unspecific, sweepingly generic, colosally stupid, clumsy and inept it is not worthy of answering...


Fine. Korea has nothing like the rabid xenophobia National Front, the BNP, True Finns, Freedom Party, Swiss People's Party, Golden Dawn, etc.

If the Koreans were really THAT out to get you, you'd be got already.

I made no conjecture. Koreans haven't elected anyone who could be described as unconventional according to Korean norms.

You claim they will, but can give no evidence other than no one has bombed a mosque in Korea. Your other claims about "no one cares" are empty rhetoric since you have no way of knowing what people think or feel.

As always, you're making up facts to support your quasi-ideas. The person who doesn't know what he is talking about is you.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Discussion has reached the point of vanishing returns when Steelrails suggests that Koreans would proudly support a long haired, turbaned, bearded, bangle wearing Ban Ki Moon, with no hint of prejudice...

Does Steelrails actually live in Korea, or is he typing away from a basement in Kentucky, whilst watching the wrestling on TV ?


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