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Pagoda Teaching Academy, Seoul, South Korea Nightmare
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ntwrightsmom



Joined: 19 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked there last year. It sucks. All the employees I talked to felt felt similarly. Ian and Rockie will screw you. I would give specifics, but I don't want to identify myself. Phil is a good guy but still a company man. Some branches have more students and therefore pay better. The ladies at the Jongno branch are lovely. :)
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postfundie



Joined: 28 May 2004

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think the company would put him in the position that he's in if he were not in some way representing the company and looking out for the company's interest
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Privateer



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:30 am    Post subject: Re: Pagoda Teaching Academy, Seoul, South Korea Nightmare Reply with quote

rrlawyer wrote:
There is a reason that this place is always looking for workers. I met Ian Windsor and worked for him. He is not an all together bad guy at first glance. However I do not recommend trusting him or anything he says unless you have it in writing and in your pocket 24/7. Any promises regarding block or even semi-human hours are meaningless without having it on paper.

Expect to get your monthly schedule the night before classes begin. It is not uncommon for teachers to start at 8am and finish at 9pm. I had classes basically one out of every three hours. You will not have time to have a life.

I heard a rumor about a firing quota - that isn't true - it is just a statistic that is pretty accurate. They never went 30 days without losing someone the whole time I was there. If a customer every suggests they are less than in happy with you - you will go before they lose the customer. You are easier to replace. You take money, customers give money.

Because it is a for profit enterprise - it does not matter whether you are at fault. They will make the decision that maximizes profit. In order to get rid of you they will make your schedule as miserable as possible. That way you quit and they don't have to pay your air fare. Expect the pressure to increase as the one-year mark hits on your contract. If you make the mistake of letting them think you are leaving at the end of the contract they will really hit you hard and raise the misery index to avoid paying that airfare. Then you must sign a confidentiality agreement to be released if you want to remain in Korea.

I paid my way out of the contract. I gave them notice and they milked me for every won they could get from the contract. It is not the worse Korea has to offer. They pay on time and they aren't about to go anywhere. My co-workers were what kept me alive. Good folks for the most part. However, I would never in my wildest dreams recommend that anybody ever work there. The office equipment was broken a majority of the time and it simply was a hostile work environment for me. I understand that it is a money first education second racket in many Korean hogwans, but this place really pushes that mentality to an insidious art form.

When I was there the housing racket was also something to avoid. Rocky was in charge of housing. He put me up in a "red light" hotel with those blue drapes to hide your face as you come in and out. It was about 6 blocks from the office. It had mirrors on the ceiling and prostitutes coming in and out all night. Then they moved me to a place without air conditioning. When I pointed this out they said that housing was not part of the contract and I had to deal with the landlord - who I had never met because the school - Rocky - had got me the apartment.

STAY AWAY FROM PAGODA TEACHING ACADEMY IN GANGNAM KANGNAM SEOUL SOUTH KOREA AT ALL COSTS!


So the "nightmare" is that you get schedules at the last minute, they give you split shifts, they find you any old cheap accommodation they can at the last minute, they put paying customers before you, and they'll try to wriggle out of their end of contract obligations if they can.

That's not a nightmare, that's just the reality of the hagwon business.

If you're going to put "nightmare" in the thread title please give us something juicier than that.
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mountainous



Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Los Angeles

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:27 am    Post subject: Re: Pagoda Teaching Academy, Seoul, South Korea Nightmare Reply with quote

Privateer wrote:
So the "nightmare" is that you get schedules at the last minute, they give you split shifts, they find you any old cheap accommodation they can at the last minute, they put paying customers before you, and they'll try to wriggle out of their end of contract obligations if they can.

That's not a nightmare, that's just the reality of the hagwon business.

If you're going to put "nightmare" in the thread title please give us something juicier than that.


I agree, these are typical business practices for a Korean hagwon.

An employment deal in Korea is like a Nigerian mail order deal...typically a scam.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:26 am    Post subject: Re: Pagoda Teaching Academy, Seoul, South Korea Nightmare Reply with quote

Privateer wrote:
If you're going to put "nightmare" in the thread title please give us something juicier than that.

How about giving you a new contract on a Friday afternoon (that included clauses stating your salary would be deducted any and all monies refunded to students who quit "because of you"), then telling you to bring it back signed on Monday or you will be fired?

That's just one for instance.
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postfundie



Joined: 28 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you weeeeed out the bad teachers who actually do make the students quit??
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suadente



Joined: 27 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked at Pagoda a few years back. It was, honestly, the worst year of my life. It was worse than in elementary school when a popular snack that rhymed with my name was introduced and I was teased constantly...

The hours now are 8:00 am to 9:00 pm? That's actually improved. I'm 99.5% sure that I worked until 10 (classes would start at eight or nine o'clock, and then finish at ten).

I remember one day, Pagoda Day to be exact, that we had a company lunch. We were happy to have a day off, but we had to attend a lunch that was conducted 100% in Korean. Wine was provided. Nice. The company announced that it was donating something something like 5,000,000 won to a charity. I believe it was an orphanage. It then announced that it was donating a greater amount to the Korean guy who was about to scale Mount Everest, with a Pagoda badge on his coat, and a Pagoda flag to be raised, of course. After the lunch, we had a workshop. Yes, after drinking a few glasses of wine midday. The workshop was three and a half or fours hours long. It was pointless. They spoke about nothing we encountered in the classroom. Plus, the CEO came in and gave a motivational speech. The translator suggested we work hard. Friends of mine that could understand more Korean at the time later said that she actually called us all lazy foreigners that work illegally. Yeah Pagoda!

I worked six days per week, plus full daily schedules and interview times for them, but they didn't realize that until our exit interview when they begged me to stay. My exit interview lasted at least fifty minutes. I'm even listed as a co-contributer (or was at least, if they changed their copyright page) in two of the SLE books.

I was excited at first to be teaching adults and to have earnings potential. I was excited to make 3 million per month, substantially higher than my 1.8 mill contract before that. Then I saw the real Pagoda. After a year I was the third or fourth most senior instructor at Gangnam Pagoda, out of about thirty. They promise raises, but they don't deliver.

I then joined CDI, along with several of my Pagoda coworkers, plus other Pagoda teachers from different branches, and have been happy. Yeah, my students would rather talk about the Wonder Girls rather than the new Sex in the City movie, but at least they're attentive, and while 3 million was exciting...Aah, CDI! Every Pagoda instructor that I know that has joined CDI has eithter stayed with CDI or has joined a university.

Please excuse any spelling or grammar errors. I'm not proofreading this message. If you do decide to correct an English error, I would be happy to explain the correct grammar or the reason that I had a typo. Smile
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I interviewed at this place several years ago, although I can't remember if Ian is the same chap who interviewed me.

Whoever he was, he was a total shister and a cheat. The add said one thing, and during the interview, he was showing me the schedule, which seemed quite agreeable. Then in walks a Korean girl who was supposed to be in on the interview. She sees him going over the schedule with me and says, "Why are you showing him the PT schedule? Didn't he come here for the full-time job?"

He gets embarrassed and chews on her in some Korean, then flips the paper over and shows me the REAL schedule, which includes hours at a 2nd location (Jungno).

He was trying to get me to sign onto a contract by pulling a bait-and-switch with what the true hours were. Since that time, I avoided Pagoda like the plague. Whomever that guy was, he was an absolute snake. I laughed at him and walked out. He followed me to the elevator, but it was like I couldn't get out of there fast enough. Along the way, he apologized about how he couldn't get anyone to take the job by showing them the real hours, because they were so steep. He said that he was under a lot of pressure to fill the job. What an absolute ass! The pay was pretty dismal, anyway. Something like 1.9.

Besides, I've always been under the impression that the real reason most male teachers want to teach there is so they can meet members of the opposite sex.
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OneWayTraffic



Joined: 14 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That wasn't Ian. It was the previous guy. Ex army sgt. I think his name was Jonathon?
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i4NI



Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What exactly is the teaching like at pagoda? How many students on average?

I thought about taking a job there, but after reading this thread it doesn't like a good idea. I should probably look into public schools instead.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i4NI wrote:
What exactly is the teaching like at pagoda? How many students on average?

I thought about taking a job there, but after reading this thread it doesn't like a good idea. I should probably look into public schools instead.


If adults is your thing, you could always apply at Wall Street Institute- they're pretty good. PM me if you want more details.
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shaunew



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Calgary

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I worked at Pagoda Ian was honest with me 100%. He gave me extra hours at the top payment for my hard work. I think the ones badmouth Ian are social outcasts that have a very difficult time interacting with anyone other than a video game or other social rejects.
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sulperman



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shaunew wrote:
When I worked at Pagoda Ian was honest with me 100%. He gave me extra hours at the top payment for my hard work. I think the ones badmouth Ian are social outcasts that have a very difficult time interacting with anyone other than a video game or other social rejects.


I have absolutely no stake in this at all, but can't resist....

If you want to defend Pagoda, why on earth are you reviving a 3 year old thread that says pretty much nothing but bad things about them?
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Stout



Joined: 28 May 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OneWayTraffic wrote:
That wasn't Ian. It was the previous guy. Ex army sgt. I think his name was Jonathon?


Was he a gyopo? I met the grandson of the founder of Pagoda who said he had spent some time in the army (didn't ask him why he enlisted), he turned out to be a real tool.
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happiness



Joined: 04 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, so is the idea of working for Pagoda/Direct English still bad?
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