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earthquakez
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| Cave Dweller wrote: |
Something else Steelwails should keep in mind. The mods telling this board that 'Kimberly' is offensive comes at a time when the mods were particularly hard handed. They banned a buddy of mine for disagreeing with someone else. They banned another guy for saying that he had left Korea.
Earthquakez, thanks for an intelligently written response. Those kind of responses are few and far between on this thread. |
Thanks for the feedback, sorry my posts are so long but Steel Wails really needs a good dose of actual history and of reality. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| It's ok, I was threatened with banning for suggesting someone think about going back to school. Now that Dave's website is up for sale freedom of speech is back on the menu. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| It's ok, I was threatened with banning for suggesting someone think about going back to school. Now that Dave's website is up for sale freedom of speech is back on the menu. |
Dave's is for sale? How much? Update the s/w! |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:14 am Post subject: |
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I really don't know how you can post such silly things. I am talking about your idiotic attempts to portray the Irish diaspora in the USA (and elsewhere) as being the 'Muslims' of the past.
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Earthquakez- the "Irish" comment wasn't meant to solely include Irish. It could apply to Jews, Italians, Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, and others.
All that stuff about the history of Irish immigration is great, but that wasn't the point. The point was that catflap was taking issue with how people dressed. This isn't the first time someone has made this complaint about a group of immigrants.
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| Western countries (especially the UK, Canada and Australia) have been very generous with free money and benefits to Muslims and other people coming from elsewhere and to have the generosity abused is quite rightly offensive to those who pay for it. |
Yes, immigrants from all different kinds of countries will occasionally scam and abuse the system. You deal with this by going after the individual offenders.
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| For some reason you keep insisting that posters here who come from the UK/Europe are 'terrified' of Muslims. Your words, sunshine. I am a Londoner who knows more Muslims than you ever will because of the areas I and my family grew up in and still live in. |
Again, SE Michigan. If there's any place in the USA that can claim that kind of level, its there.
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| As for 'Muzzie' it is an unflattering nickname for Muslims, falls into the category of a slur, and I don't use that term nor do other posters on this thread here. You need to cut out using this kind of terminology because it can objectively be termed offensive unlike the ridiculous Kimberleyland, Princessland and Bestyland. Rolling Eyes |
You do realize that the use of that term was for the express purpose of highlighting anti-Muslim bigotry, right? You do understand that I was satirizing anti-immigrant rhetoric, right? That comment was not to be taken at face value. The purpose of it was not to insult nor demean, but rather to go after those who are supportive of xenophobia towards Muslims. It would be like someone using a racial slur for blacks or Chinese to show how people are being prejudiced towards black and Chinese and to highlight their bigotry. Are you really that dimwitted that you couldn't grasp that?
As far as 'Kimberly' goes on the other hand, the record is clear. It has had a history as an ethnic slur to the point where the mods banned it. It was never used for anything but to insult and denigrate on the basis of ethnicity. 'Kimberly' wasn't used to call attention towards racism towards Koreans, on the contrary, it used specifically for mocking a an ethnicity!
Oh, and 'Betsyland' is referring to England genius. Betsy, as in the shortened form of 'Elizabeth', your monarch. Try and read more carefully Princess. And learn to spot real satire instead of making an excuse for bigotry by calling it satire. Your history was great, except it was completely irrelevant to the point I was making. You took what I was saying far too literally.
Anyways, you still have yet to offer any evidence that 'Kimberly' is meant to be anything but insulting. It's pretty clear that it's ethnically specific. There's nothing in there to suggest anything but insult, and it clearly isn't meant to be friendly ribbing either. All the verbal gymnastics have failed to present any evidence to the contrary.
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| Yes nothing ever changes for the worse, all ethnic groups behave in basically the same way and immigration is always a positive thing. We know the mantra. |
This from someone who has been living in Korea for at least 5 years...
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| I don't recall big groups of Chinese youths hanging round in the China town where I came from or Jewish lads in my hometown, which was 20% Jewish but still, you know best. As for groups of Asians (Indians, Pakistanis etc..) the whole point is when I was a kid in the UK there weren't big gangs of Asians hanging around on street corners, they were all indoors studying, or as you mockingly mentioned having dinner with mum and dad. This is a modern phenomenon and that's why people are concerned |
Now, were there any big groups of ENGLISH teens hanging around? There aren't any big gangs of English youths causing trouble in the neighborhood or brawling over 22 men chasing a ball?
It's called kids hanging out at the local playground/Dairy Queen/street corner/shopping mall/arcade/downtown/etc. If 20 white high schoolers hang out downtown its 20 high schoolers hanging out downtown. 20 "ethnics"? It must be a gang.
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| What do you think old people coming back from the post office with their pension or single women walking home alone late worry about most in the majority of neighbourhoods? And call the police about most? Yes - big gangs of youths hanging around on street corners. |
Good grief sounds like Princessland is filled with out of control criminal maniacs. Why let those savages into other countries? 
Sounds like your country is drowning in a sea of rudeness. And correct me if I'm wrong, while sometimes the gangs might be Muslim, I'm pretty sure there's some proper English boys with big gangs of their own. Also, just because sometimes a large group of teenagers is a gang, does not mean every large group of teenagers is a gang.
Korea doesn't have this problem even thought you'll find 20 kids hanging around some Ddeokbokki stand right next to an ATM downtown. Maybe your country needs to import 20,000 Korean teachers to give some cultural lessons and promote change. Sure they'll slurp soup and spit on the sidewalk, but that sounds pretty mild compared to having your face bounce off the sidewalk as kids jack you for your wallet. What do you expect though from a bunch of spoiled and entitled Princesses. Their cultural history is filled with going to strangers, attacking them, and seizing their property. Why should we expect their children to behave any differently?
Anyways, don't take my comments too literally, but do consider that in this case the shoe is on the other foot. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| earthquakez wrote: |
I really don't know how you can post such silly things. I am talking about your idiotic attempts to portray the Irish diaspora in the USA (and elsewhere) as being the 'Muslims' of the past.
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Earthquakez- the "Irish" comment wasn't meant to solely include Irish. It could apply to Jews, Italians, Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, and others.
All that stuff about the history of Irish immigration is great, but that wasn't the point. The point was that catflap was taking issue with how people dressed. This isn't the first time someone has made this complaint about a group of immigrants.
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| Western countries (especially the UK, Canada and Australia) have been very generous with free money and benefits to Muslims and other people coming from elsewhere and to have the generosity abused is quite rightly offensive to those who pay for it. |
Yes, immigrants from all different kinds of countries will occasionally scam and abuse the system. You deal with this by going after the individual offenders.
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| For some reason you keep insisting that posters here who come from the UK/Europe are 'terrified' of Muslims. Your words, sunshine. I am a Londoner who knows more Muslims than you ever will because of the areas I and my family grew up in and still live in. |
Again, SE Michigan. If there's any place in the USA that can claim that kind of level, its there.
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| As for 'Muzzie' it is an unflattering nickname for Muslims, falls into the category of a slur, and I don't use that term nor do other posters on this thread here. You need to cut out using this kind of terminology because it can objectively be termed offensive unlike the ridiculous Kimberleyland, Princessland and Bestyland. Rolling Eyes |
You do realize that the use of that term was for the express purpose of highlighting anti-Muslim bigotry, right? You do understand that I was satirizing anti-immigrant rhetoric, right? That comment was not to be taken at face value. The purpose of it was not to insult nor demean, but rather to go after those who are supportive of xenophobia towards Muslims. It would be like someone using a racial slur for blacks or Chinese to show how people are being prejudiced towards black and Chinese and to highlight their bigotry. Are you really that dimwitted that you couldn't grasp that?
As far as 'Kimberly' goes on the other hand, the record is clear. It has had a history as an ethnic slur to the point where the mods banned it. It was never used for anything but to insult and denigrate on the basis of ethnicity. 'Kimberly' wasn't used to call attention towards racism towards Koreans, on the contrary, it used specifically for mocking a an ethnicity!
Oh, and 'Betsyland' is referring to England genius. Betsy, as in the shortened form of 'Elizabeth', your monarch. Try and read more carefully Princess. And learn to spot real satire instead of making an excuse for bigotry by calling it satire. Your history was great, except it was completely irrelevant to the point I was making. You took what I was saying far too literally.
Anyways, you still have yet to offer any evidence that 'Kimberly' is meant to be anything but insulting. It's pretty clear that it's ethnically specific. There's nothing in there to suggest anything but insult, and it clearly isn't meant to be friendly ribbing either. All the verbal gymnastics have failed to present any evidence to the contrary.
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| Yes nothing ever changes for the worse, all ethnic groups behave in basically the same way and immigration is always a positive thing. We know the mantra. |
This from someone who has been living in Korea for at least 5 years...
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| I don't recall big groups of Chinese youths hanging round in the China town where I came from or Jewish lads in my hometown, which was 20% Jewish but still, you know best. As for groups of Asians (Indians, Pakistanis etc..) the whole point is when I was a kid in the UK there weren't big gangs of Asians hanging around on street corners, they were all indoors studying, or as you mockingly mentioned having dinner with mum and dad. This is a modern phenomenon and that's why people are concerned |
Now, were there any big groups of ENGLISH teens hanging around? There aren't any big gangs of English youths causing trouble in the neighborhood or brawling over 22 men chasing a ball?
It's called kids hanging out at the local playground/Dairy Queen/street corner/shopping mall/arcade/downtown/etc. If 20 white high schoolers hang out downtown its 20 high schoolers hanging out downtown. 20 "ethnics"? It must be a gang.
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| What do you think old people coming back from the post office with their pension or single women walking home alone late worry about most in the majority of neighbourhoods? And call the police about most? Yes - big gangs of youths hanging around on street corners. |
Good grief sounds like Princessland is filled with out of control criminal maniacs. Why let those savages into other countries?
Sounds like your country is drowning in a sea of rudeness. And correct me if I'm wrong, while sometimes the gangs might be Muslim, I'm pretty sure there's some proper English boys with big gangs of their own. Also, just because sometimes a large group of teenagers is a gang, does not mean every large group of teenagers is a gang.
Korea doesn't have this problem even thought you'll find 20 kids hanging around some Ddeokbokki stand right next to an ATM downtown. Maybe your country needs to import 20,000 Korean teachers to give some cultural lessons and promote change. Sure they'll slurp soup and spit on the sidewalk, but that sounds pretty mild compared to having your face bounce off the sidewalk as kids jack you for your wallet. What do you expect though from a bunch of spoiled and entitled Princesses. Their cultural history is filled with going to strangers, attacking them, and seizing their property. Why should we expect their children to behave any differently?
Anyways, don't take my comments too literally, but do consider that in this case the shoe is on the other foot. |
Steelrails, there's something wrong with my computer and your comment showed up in some symbols or something. Could you retype your comment, please? |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Good grief sounds like Princessland is filled with out of control criminal maniacs. Why let those savages into other countries? Wink
Sounds like your country is drowning in a sea of rudeness. And correct me if I'm wrong, while sometimes the gangs might be Muslim, I'm pretty sure there's some proper English boys with big gangs of their own. Also, just because sometimes a large group of teenagers is a gang, does not mean every large group of teenagers is a gang.
Korea doesn't have this problem even thought you'll find 20 kids hanging around some Ddeokbokki stand right next to an ATM downtown. Maybe your country needs to import 20,000 Korean teachers to give some cultural lessons and promote change. Sure they'll slurp soup and spit on the sidewalk, but that sounds pretty mild compared to having your face bounce off the sidewalk as kids jack you for your wallet. What do you expect though from a bunch of spoiled and entitled Princesses. Their cultural history is filled with going to strangers, attacking them, and seizing their property. Why should we expect their children to behave any differently?
Anyways, don't take my comments too literally, but do consider that in this case the shoe is on the other foot.
Never claimed the UK doesn't have its own problems or that other countries don't have a lower crime rate. If importing 20,000 Korean teachers would improve the situation, I'd be all for it. Not sure where you're going with this line of arguing but I think it's pretty clear to anyone that regards to my country you don't know what you're talking about and should probably shut up. I wouldn't presume to lecture you on how you should feel about the problems of Michigan. |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Somebody on the caf surely knows who Steel Wails is. Korean adopted by people in Betsyland. Works somewhere teaching in the Republic of Korea aka Kimberleyland.
Hard to say whether Steel Wails is male or female, could be a female although we've all assumed this person is a male. Whoever he or she is surely the time has come for enforced repatriation back to Betsyland for involuntary mental health treatment in an isolated ward.
The other alternative is to make a report to the authorities in Korea so Steel Wails receives treatment in a Kimberleyland facility. After all, Kimberleyland is noted for being ahead of the curve in everything and no doubt Steel Wails will find their straitjackets high tech and much more comfortable than those in Betsyland.
Or maybe Steel Wails can be rendered to Princessland to an institution there. Hopefully he or she will be attended by one of the people he calls 'Muzzies' here on the caf and uses that slur towards them. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Or maybe Steel Wails can be rendered to Princessland to an institution there. Hopefully he or she will be attended by one of the people he calls 'Muzzies' here on the caf and uses that slur towards them. |
Earthquakez, hopefully someone can teach you to read and grasp the context of a statement. Let's take a test and see how you do.
Please read the passage below and the response to it-
A: Numbers are one thing but it all depends when those Arabs came over and how well they integrated into society. Do they all speak English? How many of their wives wear the Niqab or Burka? How many of them are bringing over 13 year old first cousins from Pakistan or wherever, to get married to and keep in their houses 24/7? Do they still practise genital mutilation? Do they have their own schools where they're not allowed to listen to music because it's evil etc..? Do they all live in the same area and make it difficult for normally dressed white American women to walk there? Do their youth hang around on street corners in big gangs at night? When the Arabs you mentioned were celebrating Saddam being toppled were there a bunch of others protesting about the great Satan?
B: Yes, like many immigrants in our country before, some struggle with English and wear their old traditional clothing. And yes, they'll bring over family members too. It was wrong for the Irish then and its wrong for them Muzzies now!
Question 1: The author of passage A is expressing concern over the behavior of immigrants. T or F?
Question 2: The author of passage B agrees with the author of passage A. T or F?
Question 3: The underlined sentence above is meant to-
A) Cite a previous historical example of negative Irish immigrant behavior and apply it to current Muslim immigrant behavior.
B) Compare anti-immigrant attitudes from the past to anti-immigrant current attitudes.
Question 4: The term 'Muzzies' in the bolded sentence above is meant to-
A) Be used as the basis for negative characterization of a group based on insult
B) To use harsh language within a statement so as to emphasize the author's belief that anti-immigrant attitudes are linked to bigorty.
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I hope you get 4/4. I don't hold up much hope. After all you couldn't even grasp the significance of the 'British Boyfriends' thing. Or the 'Betsy' thing. Heck, lets turn it into a bonus question:
Bonus Question 1:
"People who are so worried about Muslims in Britain raping need to remember that you're more likely to be raped by your British Boyfriend".
Which of the following statements is supported by the statement above?
A) Non-Muslim British men rape at a dangerously high rate compared to other countries. People should take extra precautions when visiting England.
B) Non-Muslim British men are inherently dangerous. Women should take special care when forming relationships with British men.
C) Statistically speaking, the incidence of rape of women in Britain is higher in cases involving a significant other vs. a random ethnic gang attack, but these cases are not receiving the publicity and attention that ethnic gang rape is.
D) British men enjoy rape. This is a cultural activity in Britain.
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Bonus Question 2;
I'm sure all the lads over at the pub would have no problem with me calling Brits 'Princesses' or 'Betsies'. Alright Princess. May you and everyone else over there in Betsyland have fun drinking tea because that's what Princesses do.
'Betsy' refers to which country?
A) United States
B) United Kingdom
C) Canada
D) Australia
Bonus write in: The origin of the term 'Betsy' is what?
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Maybe on your retake you can get these question right. Anyways Princess, don't accuse me of mental illness when you have such difficulty with your reading comprehension. You get things wrongs so often that I can't even debate you because you aren't understanding what I am writing. At least edwardcatflap is able to follow what I'm writing and give coherent responses and is making arguments based at least somewhat on reality rather than some anger-driven artificial narrative he has spun in his head involving visions of my personal life and mental state.
Stop trying to play psychologist and fantasizing about me in straightjackets, start reading more carefully.
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Stop trying to play psychologist and fantasizing about me in straightjackets, start reading more carefully.
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Maybe if you would write less, with less hyperbole, people might start reading your posts more carefully.
But that is a big maybe, considering your post history.
It's worth a try.
You do have some interesting posts every now and again. |
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Cave Dweller
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| Anyways, you still have yet to offer any evidence that 'Kimberly' is meant to be anything but insulting. |
3 points of proof:
1. I was the one who posted it.
2. I claimed it was not an ethnic slur. Only that you (Steelwails) took it as one.
3. Humans do not have telepathy.
There is proof. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyways, you still have yet to offer any evidence that 'Kimberly' is meant to be anything but insulting. |
3 points of proof:
1. I was the one who posted it.
2. I claimed it was not an ethnic slur. Only that you (Steelwails) took it as one.
3. Humans do not have telepathy.
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Hey I wasnt being racist when I said Tortillaland when talking about Mexico. Since I said its not an ethnic slur it must not be one.
And as Ive shown, Kimberly had a history. The mods at one point concluded that it was an ethnic slur.
Did you mean it to be insulting? Was it ethnically based? If both are yes, then its an ethnic slur. |
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earthquakez
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:15 am Post subject: |
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 We are witnessing a caf member going into meltdown before our eyes!
To paraphrase English football chants: Steel Wails is going home in a Kimberley straitjacket!  |
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Cave Dweller
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Good grief SW you have been pwned so badly on this thread. Everyone knows it except for you.
The mods determined something? The mods dont know their assholes from a hole in the ground.
Go ahead and call Mexico tortillaland. I am not Mexican.
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| Anyways, you still have yet to offer any evidence that 'Kimberly' is meant to be anything but insulting. |
3 points of proof:
1. I was the one who posted it.
2. I claimed it was not an ethnic slur. Only that you (Steelwails) took it as one.
3. Humans do not have telepathy.
There is proof. |
Hey I wasnt being racist when I said Tortillaland when talking about Mexico. Since I said its not an ethnic slur it must not be one.
And as Ive shown, Kimberly had a history. The mods at one point concluded that it was an ethnic slur.
Did you mean it to be insulting? Was it ethnically based? If both are yes, then its an ethnic slur. |
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Steelrails
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Good grief SW you have been pwned so badly on this thread. Everyone knows it except for you.
The mods determined something? The mods dont know their assholes from a hole in the ground.
Go ahead and call Mexico tortillaland. I am not Mexican.
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In a discussion about what constitutes an ethnic slur, your response to this pretty much proves my point about you not realizing you're being a bigot.
You're the one who can't even cop to admitting that 'Kimberly' was meant insultingly. We all know it was. It has an ethnic basis. It's an ethnic slur. Just admit it. We can relegate it to the class of tasteless and wrong, but not vicious ethnic slurs of "Frog" and "Kraut" and regard someone who uses it in the same way we'd regard someone who uses those terms. Perhaps funny, but not to be taken too seriously. And the next time they come crying about some Korean cartoon with a foreigner with a big nose, we'll remind them of their previous stance.
That's all. But pretending that you were The Onion and this was some kind of satire is just a joke. There's a world of difference between Kimland and Kimberlyland. You know what it is and its what changes things from a nickname into an insult. Be honest. |
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Cave Dweller
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It is ironic to have ones honesty questioned by the likes of you. Mr bush pilot lives in Detroit but not Detroit celebrates ramadan and is a battleship captain.
I dont care about the use of tortillaland becausr I have nothing invested in and have a thicker skin than you. I would simply refer to them as Mexicans. Since you brought up the term tortillaland and muzzie, who is the bigot here?
SW and Mel Gibson have many things in comkon. Both are bigots and neither are relevant.
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| Cave Dweller wrote: |
Good grief SW you have been pwned so badly on this thread. Everyone knows it except for you.
The mods determined something? The mods dont know their assholes from a hole in the ground.
Go ahead and call Mexico tortillaland. I am not Mexican.
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In a discussion about what constitutes an ethnic slur, your response to this pretty much proves my point about you not realizing you're being a bigot.
You're the one who can't even cop to admitting that 'Kimberly' was meant insultingly. We all know it was. It has an ethnic basis. It's an ethnic slur. Just admit it. We can relegate it to the class of tasteless and wrong, but not vicious ethnic slurs of "Frog" and "Kraut" and regard someone who uses it in the same way we'd regard someone who uses those terms. Perhaps funny, but not to be taken too seriously. And the next time they come crying about some Korean cartoon with a foreigner with a big nose, we'll remind them of their previous stance.
That's all. But pretending that you were The Onion and this was some kind of satire is just a joke. There's a world of difference between Kimland and Kimberlyland. You know what it is and its what changes things from a nickname into an insult. Be honest. |
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