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jackson7
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 Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:42 am Post subject: |
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A major, major factor in being successful in either Japan or Korea is learning the language. The good gigs in Japan often explicitly "prefer" it, while here in Korea it's always more than appreciated. The examples of learned helplessness I've seen in Korea have all been tied to not learning Korean (even after a decade, in many cases), which installs paranoia (I heard them say "영어" -- they must be talking trash about me) and frustrates folks who are unable to fully function in society.
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Chaparrastique
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'man up'....
And that's the answer....
Daves esl board has always had this macho approach to life in Korea...'grow a pair'....'man up'....'hit the weights'...'no one is makin ya stay DUDE...'
Good grief, only in Korea...no wonder it doesn't get any better... |
It's relevant to anything you do in life, and anywhere you go. Reality is what it is, no sense bitching about it.
What you can change is yourself, and your attitude. Don't get hung up about stuff, don't be resentful, let the shit bounce off you.
Be grateful for the good stuff. Cultivate a good vibe, and positive energy. Go out and have some fun. |
Its easy to preach from the sidelines.
The fault lies with the aggressor, not the victim. This elemental truth seems to have escaped your ken.
By telling the victim to "get over it" etc you are in effect excusing bad behaviour and shifting the blame onto the victim.
A lot of foreigners experience rude, abusive, discriminatory, exploitive or otherwise terrible behaviour from Koreans. This fact is without question.
Last I heard you had not even arrived in the country yet. So please don't attempt to advise people about how korea works. |
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Roman Holiday
Joined: 22 Sep 2014
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| Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
| Roman Holiday wrote: |
| GJoeM wrote: |
'man up'....
And that's the answer....
Daves esl board has always had this macho approach to life in Korea...'grow a pair'....'man up'....'hit the weights'...'no one is makin ya stay DUDE...'
Good grief, only in Korea...no wonder it doesn't get any better... |
It's relevant to anything you do in life, and anywhere you go. Reality is what it is, no sense bitching about it.
What you can change is yourself, and your attitude. Don't get hung up about stuff, don't be resentful, let the shit bounce off you.
Be grateful for the good stuff. Cultivate a good vibe, and positive energy. Go out and have some fun. |
Its easy to preach from the sidelines.
The fault lies with the aggressor, not the victim. This elemental truth seems to have escaped your ken.
By telling the victim to "get over it" etc you are in effect excusing bad behaviour and shifting the blame onto the victim.
A lot of foreigners experience rude, abusive, discriminatory, exploitive or otherwise terrible behaviour from Koreans. This fact is without question.
Last I heard you had not even arrived in the country yet. So please don't attempt to advise people about how korea works. |
That's just the thing, people need to get over the 'victim mentality'. And you see it back home as much as you do overseas. You'll find 'bad behaviour' anywhere, welcome to the world. The thing is to neither conform nor react to it- be proactive, develop yourself, develop some toughness, be like the great Kauri, or the Redwood, which towers above it all. The ideal will never be found in the social
I've lived in Korea for 6 years, been out for 3, fly back in next week for another 5 year or so stint.
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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That's just the thing, people need to get over the 'victim mentality'. |
Would you tell that to the comfort women? "Get over it", etc.
The onus is on the perpetrator to change, not the innocent victim. This is true of any offence, no matter the degree. Do you deny this?
Maybe you've been in korea so long you've lost the ability to apply logic. |
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Roman Holiday
Joined: 22 Sep 2014
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| Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
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That's just the thing, people need to get over the 'victim mentality'. |
Would you tell that to the comfort women? "Get over it", etc.
The onus is on the perpetrator to change, not the innocent victim. This is true of any offence, no matter the degree. Do you deny this?
Maybe you've been in korea so long you've lost the ability to apply logic. |
Everything is what it is and not another thing. This is logic.
A comfort woman is a victim. A foreigner teaching English in Korea is not.
Learn to draw distinctions please.  |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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A comfort woman is a victim. A foreigner teaching English in Korea is not.
Learn to draw distinctions please. |
Of course an English teacher can be a victim, imbecile.
Being an English teacher does not disqualify a someone from experiencing legitimate grievances.
Learn to use your brain, if you have one.
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GJoeM
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| Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Chappa, these people are likely to be new to Korea and the standard response here on Daves esl from ( mostly naive male) newcomers to Korea has always been the macho one -- 'man up'....'hit the weights room dude'...'get ya man-cave in order'....'stick ya chest out' and 'chin up'...'no one is makin ya stay DUDE'....
All pretty standard high school responses , brainless newcomer know all stuff or wanna-be macho tough guy swagger...it's always the same tiresome troll response...and that's just part of the reason Korea doesn't move on...
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Coltronator
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| GJoeM wrote: |
Chappa, these people are likely to be new to Korea and the standard response here on Daves esl from ( mostly naive male) newcomers to Korea has always been the macho one -- 'man up'....'hit the weights room dude'...'get ya man-cave in order'....'stick ya chest out' and 'chin up'...'no one is makin ya stay DUDE'....
All pretty standard high school responses , brainless newcomer know all stuff or wanna-be macho tough guy swagger...it's always the same tiresome troll response...and that's just part of the reason Korean doesn't move on... |
Second, very accurate |
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Roman Holiday
Joined: 22 Sep 2014
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double post
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Coltronator
Joined: 04 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| Well they can obviously be a victim of something less severe than Chaps terribly chosen example. Chap is correct but his argument could have chosen a better less extreme example. Anyone can be a victim. Some teachers are definitely victims of specific malfeasances such as fraud, visa theft, assault, labour law violations, etc. |
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Roman Holiday
Joined: 22 Sep 2014
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
| Roman Holiday wrote: |
A comfort woman is a victim. A foreigner teaching English in Korea is not.
Learn to draw distinctions please. |
Of course an English teacher can be a victim, imbecile.
Being an English teacher does not disqualify a someone from experiencing legitimate grievances.
Learn to use your brain, if you have one.
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How exactly can someone who chooses to teach English in a foreign language be a victim?
Learn to use language properly. You are an English teacher right?
That a few foreigners may have suffered from direct criminal action in Korea is neither here nor there. We have just as much chance of being victimized in any country. No, what this thread is about is some mysterious blanket victimization of all foreigners in Korea. What a lot of bullshit! The reality is that this kind of generalization is nothing but the breeding of a 'victim mentality', one which is constantly being reinforced by the whining on forums such as these.
I see the apparent rudeness of Korea has rubbed off on you.
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Roman Holiday
Joined: 22 Sep 2014
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| GJoeM wrote: |
Chappa, these people are likely to be new to Korea and the standard response here on Daves esl from ( mostly naive male) newcomers to Korea has always been the macho one -- 'man up'....'hit the weights room dude'...'get ya man-cave in order'....'stick ya chest out' and 'chin up'...'no one is makin ya stay DUDE'....
All pretty standard high school responses , brainless newcomer know all stuff or wanna-be macho tough guy swagger...it's always the same tiresome troll response...and that's just part of the reason Korea doesn't move on... |
This is just silly, and a bit juvenile. If you'd been paying attention, you would've seen I've spent some considerable time in Korea already [I speak Korean reasonably well].
Try avoiding group think next time.
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Coltronator
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| Roman, I don't think GJoeM's comment was towards you? Maybe it was but it does't seem to be. Seems to be seperate and almost unrelated to what you are arguing. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| Roman Holiday wrote: |
How exactly can someone who chooses to teach English in a foreign language be a victim? |
Wow you really are dumb! i though you lived here 6 years?
..off the top of my head, they might be fired unjustly or in the 11th 12th month to avoid payment of severance; they might be racially abused by random koreans, parents or even students; they may be not paid their wages on time or at all; they may be suddenly locked out of their apartment due to a disagreement with their boss. etc etc etc
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| Learn to use language properly. |
The word "imbecile" was a perfectly correct and apt use of vocabulary.
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| I see the apparent rudeness of Korea has rubbed off on you |
Get over it you big giant redwood.
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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Doesn't Japan have a seriously devalued currency now? Aren't you guys worried about the radioactivity that is in everything there now since Fukashima melted down?
I heard there are lots of people in Japan getting tumors now. |
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