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GJoeM



Joined: 05 Oct 2012

PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jazzmaster wrote "Koreans are very negative people due to many factors. The typical Korean lifestyle is very tough and this results in the majority of Koreans being unhappy with their life. I've encountered so much passive-aggressive, and often outright aggressive, actions that I consciously try my best not to let it influence my thoughts and actions at all.

When you live in Korea you need to protect your mind and moral compass. I often see people attempting to justify the unjustifiable, in the attempt to remain positive. When you try to justify these things your mind starts to perceive them as acceptable actions. This is a slippery slope.
Keep your chin up and your head straight. And most of all, don't let the f@ckers bring you down."

Well said that man. When Koreans spend their whole lives in harsh, severe competition with each other,and human qualities such as sympathy, empathy, kindness and softness are held in contempt, then how would they ever see value in showing open ness and softness to foreigners or other people around the world?

We see empathy, softness and sympathy for others as a way of reaching out to, and contacting others -- Koreans see it as weakness and madness and a waste of time, and it short circuits their nationalism, which is on a par with a heresy and sin here.

It's a tough one --

We all learn to navigate it in our own way.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:26 am    Post subject: Re: Negative Energy Reply with quote

duhweecher wrote:
Anyone else pick up on the amazing level of pent up NEGATIVE ENERGY people seem to have here? (Yep, sounds like yoga material here..."negative energy"...no, I can't even define it really, but I think you know what I mean) Where is this stemming from? Is it sort of a conflict-oriented mentality or something?

I mean, today, for example, I went to a wine store where I usually purchase my Merlot. The owner is usually quite nice and friendly. Today, one of his acquaintances was there apparently paying a visit. The owner wasn't his usual happy self (understandable; I've read enough about emotional labour and really don't feel like he always has to be nice). But I was shocked that he actually said, "Oh, you were just here recently" in a mumbled voice but loud enough for his friend to hear.

I said, I haven't been here for nearly two months, with a laugh. No reply. In fact, he wouldn't even look me in the face and just ignored my reply with a smug little yeah-right look on his face. The whole situation had a really negative vibe to it.

This is just a small case of what I mean, but I think this sort of negativity is at a level that is by far on a more social level in Seoul (to say the least) than any other place I have ever been or lived. What's going on with people here? Is it really chic to be a jerk, rude, or simply negative about any and everything? To make even the most sterile (or even positive) of situations into a negative one?

I usually like pretty much everything in Korea (...I am Korean....American), but this negativity is really starting to get to me and I don't think it's just a personal problem.

Anyone else pick up on this feeling?


I live in Jeonnam, in the South. People often smile at me, and are often nice to me. I did not really feel that much when I lived in Ilsan. It's much easier for me to get to know locals. I do somehow feel there is this air of negativity in Korea, but there are many bright spots. I was having a rough day, and this lady smiled at me and asked me if I was from the U.S., and she talked about her son's in L.A. Her smile and warmth did something for my really bad day. Are you in the Seoul area? I wish Korean culture was a little warmer kind of like how it is in say Thailand or Cambodia. It is what it is.
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Died By Bear



Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whenever Koreans are passive-aggressive towards me, I stab em in the heart with my expensive umbrella. I paid $800.00 for that umbrella, and I might was well get some use (and satisfaction) out of it. After than, I usually piss on their shoes to mark my territory. I'll be damned if my umbrella ever has to share the bucket with low class-made-in-China, cattle car umbrellas.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Negative Energy Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
duhweecher wrote:
Anyone else pick up on the amazing level of pent up NEGATIVE ENERGY people seem to have here? (Yep, sounds like yoga material here..."negative energy"...no, I can't even define it really, but I think you know what I mean) Where is this stemming from? Is it sort of a conflict-oriented mentality or something?

I mean, today, for example, I went to a wine store where I usually purchase my Merlot. The owner is usually quite nice and friendly. Today, one of his acquaintances was there apparently paying a visit. The owner wasn't his usual happy self (understandable; I've read enough about emotional labour and really don't feel like he always has to be nice). But I was shocked that he actually said, "Oh, you were just here recently" in a mumbled voice but loud enough for his friend to hear.

I said, I haven't been here for nearly two months, with a laugh. No reply. In fact, he wouldn't even look me in the face and just ignored my reply with a smug little yeah-right look on his face. The whole situation had a really negative vibe to it.

This is just a small case of what I mean, but I think this sort of negativity is at a level that is by far on a more social level in Seoul (to say the least) than any other place I have ever been or lived. What's going on with people here? Is it really chic to be a jerk, rude, or simply negative about any and everything? To make even the most sterile (or even positive) of situations into a negative one?

I usually like pretty much everything in Korea (...I am Korean....American), but this negativity is really starting to get to me and I don't think it's just a personal problem.

Anyone else pick up on this feeling?


I live in Jeonnam, in the South. People often smile at me, and are often nice to me. I did not really feel that much when I lived in Ilsan. It's much easier for me to get to know locals. I do somehow feel there is this air of negativity in Korea, but there are many bright spots. I was having a rough day, and this lady smiled at me and asked me if I was from the U.S., and she talked about her son's in L.A. Her smile and warmth did something for my really bad day. Are you in the Seoul area? I wish Korean culture was a little warmer kind of like how it is in say Thailand or Cambodia. It is what it is.


Def. an urban/rural thing. Small towns obviously are more friendly and neighborly.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I could see that. Seoul is definitely a harsh machine at times.
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Roman Holiday



Joined: 22 Sep 2014

PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

happiness wrote:
OK, I think about this alot and I have had my ups and downs like anyone here, but I will say that it really is the energy you put out PLUS the amount of dont fuQ with me. I have had so many times people who were happy to see me one day and then snide the next. I had it once this week!

I knew a guy who had lived the same amount of times as I have here and when we compared stories it was really different. Id say in 14 years, I never have really been messed with here, but he had been fuqd with all "up and down." Id made me think, wha was the difference.

One difference is I think alot of Koreans focus on their "gibun" and it can depend on their situation, relation to others, blah blah. I have nearly never heard anyone say lets be happy because we are alive, healthy, blah, blah.

Arent the locals said to be the or nearly the most unhappy people in the world?

Then why would we expect them to have good energy.

I have good energy, and if someone doesnt, that doesnt mean much to me.

Too much Beta, not enough Alpha I think.

When I worked teaching business people in Gangnam, Id hear all the time "Happiness, I envy you, but you have so many hobbies and interests, I have none."

At first, I felt bad for them, but not now, they have to find their own happiness, and thats EVERYONE in the world. If they dont, its not my fault.
I showed them, I encouraged them.

But if someone is unhappy, you CANT change it, they have to change it.
You can offer a smile or whatnot, but is it important for you to do it?

But for living here, one does have to have a thicker skin, and a bit of solid "Nunchi" Smile

Most of the friends and thegirls I dated have said they liked my energy I put out.
Im not happy and friendly to everyone, but I do have a bit of the Im doing great, but beyond that If someone if miserable or unhappy, they get one chance from me and then I go above and beyond.

You know?


Here is a healthy attitude.

A sometimes wonder why it is that we go negative and retreat into ourselves, and blame the outside world for all our woes.

I think we've been sold a lie. Perhaps that of 'representation'. I can represent the world to myself, of how it ought to be. A crystal clear, two-dimensional, analytical thought process.

It's not. The world is a murky mysterious place, understood more authentically in poetic as opposed to ideological consciousness [there is no knowledge] . All you can do is adapt and work on yourself. Develop outer toughness while cultivating an inner awareness to the finer things in life [life is art]. This person will constantly engage with the world, push their boundaries, and in doing so may even approach something like a state of happiness. Why? Because they are realizing their own inner potential. This is no modern airy fairy, power of positive thinking, but more of the solid ancient Greek.

The ultimate in representation, its culmination, has to be the smart phone gadgets you see everyone burying their heads in today. The real world is just too much, or not enough, and we crave for instant transportation to another space, a more ideal one, a flat two-dimensional representation comprised of social media, forums such as these, games and the like. A few seconds of anxiousness in a real social setting, we blink, and dive into our pockets for our digital security blanket. What a bunch of wusses, no zombies. Laughing


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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
Yeah, I could see that. Seoul is definitely a harsh machine at times.


I would definitely say there's much more hospitality in the southern areas. Though I would say, there could be more done to bridge the foreigner-Korean divide, and the country has long been isolated from others for a long time. This is changing, of course, with the new generation. Some expats think it's not the easiest culture to break into. Now, if you're very good at Korean, that changes somewhat. My Korean's much better than before, and it helps.
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Chaparrastique



Joined: 01 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jazzmaster wrote:
I've encountered so much passive-aggressive, and often outright aggressive, actions that I consciously try my best not to let it influence my thoughts and actions at all.


Its almost impossible to be unaffected by the negativity here.

Yes, you can try to control your own attitude, form your own bubble, limit yourself to a few comfortable friends, etc etc but ultimately you are going to have to interract with Koreans. In a country and a situation where they hold all the cards.

Trying to remain positive here is like trying to remain a droplet of red dye after being dropped dropped into the ocean. You're surrounded everywhere by an environment that is constantly diluting you and trying to make you the same as it. Many Koreans are energy vampires, they sap other peoples energy all day long because they have none of their own. You can't avoid these people 24/7, they're everywhere.

Ultimately you are absolutely forced to react, to fight fire with fire. Try "seeing the positive side" when some ajosshi insults your girlfriend. There are too many sistuations in Korea where you can't just ignore it and smile, where posiitivity is not an adequate response.
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GJoeM



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chappa, just posted the same on another thread, but it's relevant here --

And as for those who say, "just leave man" -- what a stupid thing to say -- once you factor in wife, child, then it isn't so easy to just do that.

And anyway, why should we 'just leave?' We are doing a responsible job here, and we aren't taking anything from society in subsidies or welfare or perks. And we aren't any kind of 'social problem' here -- we aren't violent drunks, political agitators or a drain on the state and we don't even demand any wider profile in society or the media ( where we are invisible besides a few stand up clown acts with big noses ) and neither do we demand to ostentatiously make our mark on the culture here,say, with places of worship, cultural centers, clubs, large shops or whatever -- so why are we on the receiving end of so much passive aggressive hostility and coldness?

Why is our very presence our very visibility such a pain to Koreans and such a sour experience for them ?

I can't count the number of sour, embittered faces I see here when foreigners step on a train, or are in a dentist waiting room with Koreans. Most of the time, it's not out and out confrontation -- it's expressed in chilly, barbed atmospheres, not meeting the eyes, ambiguous and hesitant facial expression. As the years go by, that gets really wearing. And it doesn't make integration with Koreans any easier, because each time you make a gesture to reach out to them, or you spend more time studying their language and history etc, you just get another cold look or more avoidance.

The points we complain about regarding life in Korea are hardly unreasonable or demanding. They are very real problems that we have every right to wish to express and address.
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atwood



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I agree with the two posts above regarding Korean negativity, the advice to stay on the good foot is still worth taking IMO.

Accentuate the positive!
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