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jvalmer
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| northway wrote: |
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Immigration will ask for a copy of your housing contract when you go for your ARC. Impossible to lie unless you can get a forged contract.
One of my colleagues hadn't changed her address with immigration for 3 years. When she brought in her housing contract they fined her 300,000w. |
Is this a new requirement? Because I never had to submit anything like that. |
They want proof of residence, not necessarily a housing contract. A bill with your name on it should suffice. |
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Wad
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
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Immigration will ask for a copy of your housing contract when you go for your ARC. Impossible to lie unless you can get a forged contract.
One of my colleagues hadn't changed her address with immigration for 3 years. When she brought in her housing contract they fined her 300,000w. |
Is this a new requirement? Because I never had to submit anything like that. |
They want proof of residence, not necessarily a housing contract. A bill with your name on it should suffice. |
They asked me, and my co-worker this last summer, specifically for a housing contract. It's possible a utility bill would suffice. It was the first time in 20 years they've ever asked me for anything of the kind. I'm not sure they would accept a bill with your school's address on it. Most of my utility bills (e.g. gas, electric, etc. )come to my house by address alone - no name on the bill. Not that I can see anyway - so I could be wrong. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 1:49 am Post subject: Re: Landlord asking me to lie about address to immigration |
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Sorry if this should be in the job related section...
I moved into my new apartment today and my realtor said, quite casually, that I should give the address of my officetel when registering with immigration for my ARC because it will mean higher taxes for my landlord and that it's something "almost everyone who lives in officetels does" (lie about their address). This obviously seems like a terrible idea to me but I also don't want to piss off my landlord if it's not actually a big deal to put down my schools/a friends address. Can anyone enlighten me to what is going on here and offer some advice? |
Did you put down a deposit?
One other thing to remember, if you're not legally living there, you can be booted out a lot easier. If that ever happens, you won't be able to complain about it without admitting what you did and even then you might still have a hard time proving your residential situation and that you had an agreement with the landlord (in writing? verbal?). |
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furtakk
Joined: 02 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:02 am Post subject: |
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It took me AGES to find an officetel because of this. I found out about this about half way through my house hunt last year. When I finally found a place I liked, right before signing the landlord said the same thing, "so... you know you can't use your real address right?" Like others have said, it's really common for officetels because they can be declared as business properties.
Most Koreans will just use their parents address without much issue. But it can be a big deal during elections if their parents live in another city or province.
At this point, there's not much you can do. Immigration requires proof of residence now so if your landlord whines, tell him/her to call immi. Tell them you 'can get deported' if you lie about your address. Just make it sound really bad so the landlord doesn't get too pissed.
After about 20 different apartments, I finally found a landlord that would let me use the real address. The place was in his wife's name so they didn't have to worry about extra property taxes AFAIK. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:38 am Post subject: Re: Landlord asking me to lie about address to immigration |
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| Troglodyte wrote: |
| Evangeline11 wrote: |
Sorry if this should be in the job related section...
I moved into my new apartment today and my realtor said, quite casually, that I should give the address of my officetel when registering with immigration for my ARC because it will mean higher taxes for my landlord and that it's something "almost everyone who lives in officetels does" (lie about their address). This obviously seems like a terrible idea to me but I also don't want to piss off my landlord if it's not actually a big deal to put down my schools/a friends address. Can anyone enlighten me to what is going on here and offer some advice? |
Did you put down a deposit?
One other thing to remember, if you're not legally living there, you can be booted out a lot easier. If that ever happens, you won't be able to complain about it without admitting what you did and even then you might still have a hard time proving your residential situation and that you had an agreement with the landlord (in writing? verbal?). |
T H I S ^ |
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Evangeline11
Joined: 13 Jun 2011
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My landlord now wants me to use a lease from another unit in my building that she has made her realtor create for me. I have a 5m deposit with her, and I'm not sure what's worse... Registering as the legal tenant and pissing her off or being off the books and hoping she gives me my money at the end. Even if I'm registered, can't she give me a hard time giving it back? Is my lease legally binding/worth anything if I don't get myself registered as the legal tenant with the local office?
My school said that immigration sometimes goes knocking on peoples doors to see if they live there. My realtor says he will pay the fine if it occurs (right...) |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:37 am Post subject: |
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My landlord now wants me to use a lease from another unit in my building that she has made her realtor create for me. I have a 5m deposit with her, and I'm not sure what's worse... Registering as the legal tenant and pissing her off or being off the books and hoping she gives me my money at the end. Even if I'm registered, can't she give me a hard time giving it back? Is my lease legally binding/worth anything if I don't get myself registered as the legal tenant with the local office?
My school said that immigration sometimes goes knocking on peoples doors to see if they live there. My realtor says he will pay the fine if it occurs (right...) |
Your landlord and realtor will throw you under the bus in a heartbeat.
I would make sure I was registered at the correct address and that my 5m deposit was written into a legal realtor's document with stamps and signatures.
Not to be a rude about it, but foreigners often allow themselves to be set up for a fall. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| Evangeline11 wrote: |
My landlord now wants me to use a lease from another unit in my building that she has made her realtor create for me. I have a 5m deposit with her, and I'm not sure what's worse... Registering as the legal tenant and pissing her off or being off the books and hoping she gives me my money at the end. Even if I'm registered, can't she give me a hard time giving it back? Is my lease legally binding/worth anything if I don't get myself registered as the legal tenant with the local office?
My school said that immigration sometimes goes knocking on peoples doors to see if they live there. My realtor says he will pay the fine if it occurs (right...) |
Your landlord and realtor will throw you under the bus in a heartbeat.
I would make sure I was registered at the correct address and that my 5m deposit was written into a legal realtor's document with stamps and signatures.
Not to be a rude about it, but foreigners often allow themselves to be set up for a fall. |
It should also be registered at the local Gu office.
If you're going to go through with this scam, ask the landlord how much he'll actually be saving by doing this. Make it sound as if you think it's going to be a small amount. After he tells you how much, say that since you're the one taking the majority of the risk, you want two thirds of the take. Tell him that you'll pay your own fine if you're caught (which you will in any case) and prefer the upfront or monthly profits from the scam. He'll chuckle nervously and say that it's not possible. Ask him then how much your cooperation is worth. If he insists that you do it for nothing, then ask him how much it's worth to him to keep your mouth shut and not report him, which would lead to an investigation and reveal at least a few other places that he hasn't properly declared.
If your landlord came to you one day and said something like, "Hi Evangeline. Normally I should pay someone to paint the building and clean the dog poop off the sidewalk out front. I want to save some money, so I'd like it if you could paint the building this weekend and pick up the dog poop twice a week. I'm not going to pay you though. I just want you to do it for me because I know you're a sucker. What do you say? Can I count on you?" what would you do in this situation? Would you comply so that this guy could save a few Won? |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| Another good point made by Trog, make sure to register at the Gu office. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Troglodyte wrote: |
| If you're going to go through with this scam, ask the landlord how much he'll actually be saving by doing this. Make it sound as if you think it's going to be a small amount. After he tells you how much, say that since you're the one taking the majority of the risk, you want two thirds of the take. Tell him that you'll pay your own fine if you're caught (which you will in any case) and prefer the upfront or monthly profits from the scam. He'll chuckle nervously and say that it's not possible. Ask him then how much your cooperation is worth. If he insists that you do it for nothing, then ask him how much it's worth to him to keep your mouth shut and not report him, which would lead to an investigation and reveal at least a few other places that he hasn't properly declared. |
I like the logic of this. If you decide to go this route, I'd love to be a fly on the wall while you negotiate this. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Another good point made by Trog, make sure to register at the Gu office. |
Oh Yea.
If your deposit is not registered at the local Gu office you will have no legal record/claim to your deposit money when you move out.
I say just tell the landlord you don't want to get in trouble with immigration. Tell him you would have to pay a fine, lose your job and get deported. |
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Aine1979
Joined: 20 Jan 2013
Location: Incheon
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| Make sure you change your address with immigration within 14 days of the date on your lease, regardless of whether you use your correct address or not. If it's outside 14 days you'll get a fine. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| Make sure you change your address with immigration within 14 days of the date on your lease, regardless of whether you use your correct address or not. If it's outside 14 days you'll get a fine. |
Yes, this is true. |
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Old Painless
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| Your landlord and realtor will throw you under the bus in a heartbeat. |
Truer words have never been spoken. Never believe the landlord and the Realtor. |
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