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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Often one of the first questions asked when I meet a korean is "When are you going back to your country?" |
I always answer that one with 'when I've finished draining your economic resources and plundering your women.'
Oh how they giggle.  |
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Sister Ray
Joined: 25 Mar 2006
Location: Fukuoka
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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Often one of the first questions asked when I meet a korean is "When are you going back to your country?" 
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| If you live there more permanently as an English teacher, you will definately be discriminated against. |
Will I? In what way? |
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Interesting, I was never asked that even once in all the years I stayed in Korea.
Also, Weigookin74 and myself were talking about Japan. 74 stated categorically that if one were to stay in Japan long term they would "definitely" be discriminated against. I asked for elucidation, as I have found the Japanese very hospitable and welcoming. |
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GJoeM
Joined: 05 Oct 2012
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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Happiness wrote, "I dont think Koreans hate JUST foreigners, they hate themselves. The thin ideals of how to be correct and proper, the lack of resources, and the grim future. It just doesnt fit the modern world. When you have little sense of individuality, and edemic cronyism and bullying, how can you welcome anything?
so, that makes sense the country is to serve the economy, and we are teach english and make sure they can fit into those companies. Even my coteacher, doesnt seem to me to realize thats she teaching a foreign language used by people that arent koreans. weird
as far as hating other asians, well, theyre taught even if its less nowadays that Korea is a race, the best, whatever else, of course, when they see the rich Chinese tourists and see those horrid Japanese monkeys with their freedom and stylish clothes, of course theyll get jealous, because jealousy isnt taught to be a sin here (lack of Judeo-Christian ethic)"
You got it right there my friend. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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I wish it would say why.
Having lived in netherlands I can reveal that the Dutch can be insular at times in a nationalistic way. I wouldn't say they are unfriendly though.
Perhaps the expats responding to the survey were muslims from morocco/ turkey. In which case it makes sense. |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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You have to understand (I don't mean that in a patronising way although I would mean it if I were bothering to reply to Steel Wails who is absolutely ignorant of the UK and Europe in every respect) that many 'expats' in the Netherlands, the rest of Europe and the UK are people who did not migrate in the real sense of the word.
They did not pass skills and language tests nor did they bring the required money to the table. They were 'asylum seekers', many of whom are opportunists who receive just about free everything and usually never contribute any amount of tax that would cover even the cost it took to house them let alone repay the raft of benefits.
Or they are UN certified refugees who likewise did not bring anything to their new country - that is not a criticism, it's a fact. The UK and all European countries as well as Australia and Canada outlay big money on bringing in people who despite politically correct PR never really contribute financially back. In some western countries when you hear about the refugees who started their own businesss etc often they did so with more healthy subsidisies/grants from the taxpayer through generous govt schemes.
The asylum seekers have really antagonised many people who are of goodwill but realise now what a Trojan horse has come into their countries. The Danish outrage is just another one. Actually not long ago Denmark enacted new laws to put an end to some of the endless scamming of 'asylum seekers' and to make non Danes more accountable. The terrorism in Copenhagan will probably ensure further action.
Remember the Netherlands is a small country. Its original people have lived remarkably well together for centuries based on what was a long time ago a Protestant defiance of an overreaching Catholic Church. The Dutch were into free trade early and the mercantile expansion also fuelled a freer society. The 60s accentuated that more.
The Dutch have had significant problems with asylum seeker Muslims accepting that it is not their role to impose their own norms on liberal Dutch society. For example gay bashers are more than 90 percent from that section of society.
The Dutch are friendly to tourists, speak great English to them, and are friendly to expats who don't tell them how to behave while receiving their tax dollars. It is that simple.
This is not prejudice against Muslims per se. In the UK, Europe, Canada and Australia the society is becoming increasingly pissed off at having given a safe haven and free money to people who came outside the boundaries but demonstrate that they bring the problems of their home countries with them. The fact is most asylum seekers are Muslim, whether from Africa, the Middle East or the Levant (Syria is included in that area around Lebanon etc).
I suspect one of the reasons that Japan has such a tiny intake of UN refugees and won't accept asylum seekers is because most of them now are Muslim. It seems harsh but based on the increasing economic demands and social costs of those who have come to wreak havoc or simply bring rotten cultural norms to open societies, then Japan's stance is understandable. They don't say that but I know it is the reason.
The latest terrorist plot in Australia has come from an asylum seeker who flew in on a false passport under the previous centre left Labor Government and a Kuwaiti who got into Australia through marrying a Muslim woman. In the UK, Europe, Canada and Australia, many of the ISIL fighters are called English, French, Canadian, Australian etc because they carry those passports but they are the children of asylum seekers or were asylum seekers themselves.
In other words, not meeting criteria for valid migration into a western country but getting there ahead of the skilled, qualified and paying their own way, is the root problem of many Muslim related problems those western countries are having. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| earthquakez wrote: |
You have to understand (I don't mean that in a patronising way although I would mean it if I were bothering to reply to Steel Wails who is absolutely ignorant of the UK and Europe in every respect) that many 'expats' in the Netherlands, the rest of Europe and the UK are people who did not migrate in the real sense of the word.
They did not pass skills and language tests nor did they bring the required money to the table. They were 'asylum seekers', many of whom are opportunists who receive just about free everything and usually never contribute any amount of tax that would cover even the cost it took to house them let alone repay the raft of benefits.
Or they are UN certified refugees who likewise did not bring anything to their new country - that is not a criticism, it's a fact. The UK and all European countries as well as Australia and Canada outlay big money on bringing in people who despite politically correct PR never really contribute financially back. In some western countries when you hear about the refugees who started their own businesss etc often they did so with more healthy subsidisies/grants from the taxpayer through generous govt schemes.
The asylum seekers have really antagonised many people who are of goodwill but realise now what a Trojan horse has come into their countries. The Danish outrage is just another one. Actually not long ago Denmark enacted new laws to put an end to some of the endless scamming of 'asylum seekers' and to make non Danes more accountable. The terrorism in Copenhagan will probably ensure further action.
Remember the Netherlands is a small country. Its original people have lived remarkably well together for centuries based on what was a long time ago a Protestant defiance of an overreaching Catholic Church. The Dutch were into free trade early and the mercantile expansion also fuelled a freer society. The 60s accentuated that more.
The Dutch have had significant problems with asylum seeker Muslims accepting that it is not their role to impose their own norms on liberal Dutch society. For example gay bashers are more than 90 percent from that section of society.
The Dutch are friendly to tourists, speak great English to them, and are friendly to expats who don't tell them how to behave while receiving their tax dollars. It is that simple.
This is not prejudice against Muslims per se. In the UK, Europe, Canada and Australia the society is becoming increasingly pissed off at having given a safe haven and free money to people who came outside the boundaries but demonstrate that they bring the problems of their home countries with them. The fact is most asylum seekers are Muslim, whether from Africa, the Middle East or the Levant (Syria is included in that area around Lebanon etc).
I suspect one of the reasons that Japan has such a tiny intake of UN refugees and won't accept asylum seekers is because most of them now are Muslim. It seems harsh but based on the increasing economic demands and social costs of those who have come to wreak havoc or simply bring rotten cultural norms to open societies, then Japan's stance is understandable. They don't say that but I know it is the reason.
The latest terrorist plot in Australia has come from an asylum seeker who flew in on a false passport under the previous centre left Labor Government and a Kuwaiti who got into Australia through marrying a Muslim woman. In the UK, Europe, Canada and Australia, many of the ISIL fighters are called English, French, Canadian, Australian etc because they carry those passports but they are the children of asylum seekers or were asylum seekers themselves.
In other words, not meeting criteria for valid migration into a western country but getting there ahead of the skilled, qualified and paying their own way, is the root problem of many Muslim related problems those western countries are having. |
The survey consists of 8,300 people spread out over 100 countries. It is conducted by HSBC, and I'm strongly suspecting that the people they survey are not in the same economic strata as refugees and unskilled laborers from the Muslim world. I don't think too many of them are logging onto HSBC's website and filling out a survey.
Might be good to actually check out the survey before banging the anti-Muslim fear drum. |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:55 pm Post subject: Might be good to learn not to be a gobshite |
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when I'm addressing people with reason and intelligence. That excludes you. You'd best learn to keep out of discussions between people on the caf who can learn from each other.
You can be banned for trolling around after other posters when they didn't invite you into the conversation. Calling you Steel Wails is not an invitation to you - it's an expression of truth and you were not asked to come in and tell people who live with certain realities what your snivelling little narcissistic perception is. |
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GJoeM
Joined: 05 Oct 2012
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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SteeWails is a vast colosal TROLL who seems to trawl these boards daily, looking for a way to derail every thread with inane and poorly informed comment -- don't feed the troll.
Anyone with as stupid an avatar as he has should be ignored anyway. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:42 am Post subject: Re: Might be good to learn not to be a gobshite |
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| earthquakez wrote: |
| when I'm addressing people with reason and intelligence. That excludes you. |
If you had reason and intelligence, you would have bothered to check out the survey before going on about Muslim refugees. People on this survey were asked about private schooling and owning a pool.
You made a mistake. Own up to it instead of getting all upset and taking things personally.
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| You can be banned for trolling around after other posters when they didn't invite you into the conversation. |
This is a message board, not a chat room.
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| Calling you Steel Wails is not an invitation to you - it's an expression of truth and you were not asked to come in and tell people who live with certain realities what your snivelling little narcissistic perception is. |
I don't care who it is that's posting. I didn't even care about the Steel Wails thing.
I did care that you made a poor argument about the survey. Nothing changes the fact that this survey was conducted by HSBC and likely had disproportionately well-educated and affluent respondents and your linking its results to Muslim immigrants is implausible.
Whether or not it had been me or someone else who noted the error in your analysis, the observation would have been just as valid. Don't take things so personally. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:16 am Post subject: Re: Might be good to learn not to be a gobshite |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| earthquakez wrote: |
| when I'm addressing people with reason and intelligence. That excludes you. |
If you had reason and intelligence, you would have bothered to check out the survey before going on about Muslim refugees. People on this survey were asked about private schooling and owning a pool.
You made a mistake. Own up to it instead of getting all upset and taking things personally.
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| You can be banned for trolling around after other posters when they didn't invite you into the conversation. |
This is a message board, not a chat room.
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| Calling you Steel Wails is not an invitation to you - it's an expression of truth and you were not asked to come in and tell people who live with certain realities what your snivelling little narcissistic perception is. |
I don't care who it is that's posting. I didn't even care about the Steel Wails thing.
I did care that you made a poor argument about the survey. Nothing changes the fact that this survey was conducted by HSBC and likely had disproportionately well-educated and affluent respondents and your linking its results to Muslim immigrants is implausible.
Whether or not it had been me or someone else who noted the error in your analysis, the observation would have been just as valid. Don't take things so personally. |
I've got to agree with sr here. His reasons for questioning the survey were valid.
However, he has no ground to stand on when requesting others own up to their mistakes, as he pointedly refuses to do so on numerous threads. |
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GJoeM
Joined: 05 Oct 2012
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:18 am Post subject: |
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SteeWails is a vast colosal TROLL who seems to trawl these boards daily, looking for a way to derail every thread with inane and poorly informed comment -- don't feed the troll.
Anyone with as stupid an avatar as he has should be ignored anyway. |
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Koharski
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Joined: 20 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| GJoeM wrote: |
SteeWails is a vast colosal TROLL who seems to trawl these boards daily, looking for a way to derail every thread with inane and poorly informed comment -- don't feed the troll.
Anyone with as stupid an avatar as he has should be ignored anyway. |
The Mod Team has let a lot go over the past few months. Unfortunately, for some,that has turned into an open invitation to attack other posters on this forum. It is unacceptable and childish. In the TOS that each poster agrees to when joining, it clearly states that attacking or insulting others is a violation and action can be taken against the poster breaking this rule.
So here is the only warning. Respond to the post, not the poster. Changing of usernames into insults an making fun of someone's avatar is just immature. Usernames will begin to disappear if this continues. It is okay if someone has a different point of view or opinion on an issue. Problem here is, sometimes people do not want to learn, they want to be right.
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