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yangyams



Joined: 01 Feb 2015

PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:58 am    Post subject: K-Pop in US? Reply with quote

I found out that CL from the girl group 2ne1 is supposed to release a new US CD soon and she's' collaborating with some American artists but I'm personally highly skeptical of it's success. People say it's possible since her company YG is the most "americanized" one but their swag-ganster personas seem fake.

Am I alone in this thought?

Alot of people in the US like Kpop but I don't think it's enough to make any singer that wants to come over for a US release successful.
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Scorpion



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:07 am    Post subject: Re: K-Pop in US? Reply with quote

yangyams wrote:
Alot of people in the US like Kpop.


No, they emphatically do not!
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:35 am    Post subject: Re: K-Pop in US? Reply with quote

Scorpion wrote:
yangyams wrote:
Alot of people in the US like Kpop.


No, they emphatically do not!

Pure numbers I'd say a lot. Percentage wise probably barely breaks 0.1% of the whole US population.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but their swag-ganster personas seem fake.


I think the last time anyone cared about that was sometime before the rise of autotune.
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yangyams



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:50 pm    Post subject: Re: K-Pop in US? Reply with quote

Scorpion wrote:
yangyams wrote:
Alot of people in the US like Kpop.


No, they emphatically do not!

Like jvalmer said numbers wise it's high.
Enough to support at least one concert per month for Kpop artists touring. In the younger demographic from 16-25 it's been highly popular, though that could be my perspective since I fall in that demographic.
Steelrails wrote:
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but their swag-ganster personas seem fake.


I think the last time anyone cared about that was sometime before the rise of autotune.


Kpop still trying to go strong with that one though
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nicwr2002



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think she could do a good job, but I think a lot of people like K-pop because they can't understand what they are saying. When Utada Hikaru, Japanese singer, made an English album it sounded terrible compared to her Japanese stuff. She changed her style and her English pronunciation wasn't clear even though she was born in New York.
CL has to keep her same style and actually throw some Korean words into the song to make it interesting.
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GJoeM



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But WHO is it in Western countries that likes KPop? Is it Kyopos buying it in USA and UK?

Or, are KPop fans a minority interest audience in the West, like those comic book convention crowd who dress up like Manga characters?

Besides the odd article here and there, Kpop is not discussed at all in the main SERIOUS US-UK music magazines, either in papers or online.

And has Kpop improved Korean-Westerners understanding of each other and what we have to offer each other as people and cultures -- or is it just an export consumer product, like a fridge or a car ?

To compare -- When Jamaicans gave the world reggae and dub, when South America and Cuba gave the world its take on afro-jazz, when African Americans gave the world blues music and soul, when US and UK bands gave the world punk rock and 60s r n b -- there was a massive two way cultural sharing and change worldwide, a revolution via these art forms that changed people and society -- deeply.

And, how is Kpop different from similar Western-Euro - US- R n b - pop music that we have heard for years?

What is distinctly different about it ?
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nicwr2002



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GJoeM wrote:
But WHO is it in Western countries that likes KPop? Is it Kyopos buying it in USA and UK?

Or, are KPop fans a minority interest audience in the West, like those comic book convention crowd who dress up like Manga characters?

Besides the odd article here and there, Kpop is not discussed at all in the main SERIOUS US-UK music magazines, either in papers or online.

And has Kpop improved Korean-Westerners understanding of each other and what we have to offer each other as people and cultures -- or is it just an export consumer product, like a fridge or a car ?

To compare -- When Jamaicans gave the world reggae and dub, when South America and Cuba gave the world its take on afro-jazz, when African Americans gave the world blues music and soul, when US and UK bands gave the world punk rock and 60s r n b -- there was a massive two way cultural sharing and change worldwide, a revolution via these art forms that changed people and society -- deeply.

And, how is Kpop different from similar Western-Euro - US- R n b - pop music that we have heard for years?

What is distinctly different about it ?


What's the difference between most artists and music that you hear today? They did a mash up of all the songs from 2014 and they all basically sounded the same. Anyways, I'm not concerned with them bringing kpop here because kpop is largely just 90s pop music on steroids. The question is can CL's style compete with Rhianna and Beyonce? It's doable buy she has a tough road to travel.
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GJoeM



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What's the difference between most artists and music that you hear today?


So it's just a product then -- like a fridge or air con.
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nicwr2002



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GJoeM wrote:
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What's the difference between most artists and music that you hear today?


So it's just a product then -- like a fridge or air con.


All music is like a fridge or an aircon. Some music comes with different settings that other people like. Some are way over priced for the quality you get and some are just for show, but have no ability.

Ahh you must be trying to say that they are produce in a factory like a fridge or an aircon... I hate to tell you, but most music in the world is produce this way now.
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GJoeM



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So why would anyone listen to music that is produced like an aircon or sounds like one, or is promoted like one ? What's the point?
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Newbie



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GJoeM wrote:
So why would anyone listen to music that is produced like an aircon or sounds like one, or is promoted like one ? What's the point?


Don't over complicate things. They listen to it because they enjoy it. Whether you're talking K-pop, J-pop, or Beyonce/Rhianna/Taylor Swift/Kanye or whatever other Western "pop". It's not art, and shouldn't pretend to be. (yes, you Kanye). It's just catchy melodies, pretty people, and fancy rhymes.

It it comparable to Mozart? Of course not. Comparable to Joni Mitchell or Bob Dylan? Nope.

It's just a cheap, dirty thrill for the senses. And when you compare K-pop to Western pop, it's really not that much different in that it's all superficial. More and more Western kids are getting into K-pop. What they do - they do it very well. Extremely catchy melodies, very attractive talent, and very slick dance moves - I'd say their dancing is actually a lot better than the Western pop stars now.

I know a lot of people here rag on K-pop for being complete trash, and a lame copy of 90's Western pop, but it's really not anymore. Sure, K-pop 10-20 years ago WAS a complete rip off of 90's Western pop, but k-pop now: it's its own beast. Of course, founded in Western pop, but there is now definitely something unique about it. As someone above said, it's like 90's pop on steroids. Completely over the top, completely superficial, but, that's what kids and teens like. It really is a feast for the senses. (No, I don't like it myself, but I understand why kids/teens do)

I don't know why a bunch of white hipsters get so upset about it.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newbie wrote:


I don't know why a bunch of white hipsters get so upset about it.


Whines when no one likes it and ignores their music. Whines when too many people like it and they have find something more obscure.
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rkc76sf



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem with Korean artists being successful in the U.S., actually like it when someone with a new perspective and style breaks into the scene.

The side effect is when Korean media goes overboard (as they always do) when a Korean artist becomes popular, talking about the 'success of K-Pop' if that's what you can call it. Psy became popular with one song and was lumped into one category with the rest of K-Pop, and the "K-Pop success". Psy has as much in common with K-Pop as Metallica.
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schwa



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newbie wrote:
Is it comparable to Mozart? Of course not. Comparable to Joni Mitchell or Bob Dylan? Nope.

I like that you brought Joni into the conversation. Ultimate star of the 20th century in my estimation. She introduced the concept of singer/songwriter & changed modern music.

Heres a great video of her with just her guitar & voice & genius: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wn2qaUhtxM

Watch that through & tell me you arent moved & that she isnt a significant artist.

Dylan & Waits of course are up there too.
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