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Gunman kills three people in Sejong City
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Stan Rogers



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:48 pm    Post subject: Gunman kills three people in Sejong City Reply with quote

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2015/02/25/0200000000AEN20150225002354315.html
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Chaparrastique



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets hope Korea overreacts as they usually do and bans all shotguns.

The only people carrying shotguns are hunters ie people that enjoy killing animals.
Attitudes to animals reflect attitudes to people.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chaparrastique wrote:
Attitudes to animals reflect attitudes to people.

So where are all the cannibals?
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Kang took out two shotguns from a police box in Gongju about two hours prior to the rampage..."

So he stole the guns from the police, or was he a policeman?
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T-J



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty sure guns privately owned for hunting must be stored with local police.
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Jake_Kim



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who's Your Daddy? wrote:
"Kang took out two shotguns from a police box in Gongju about two hours prior to the rampage..."

So he stole the guns from the police, or was he a policeman?


Even licensed gun owners must store their guns exceeding certain gauge or calibre at police stations at all times, and then they're allowed to pick them up upon presenting one's license and up-to-date hunting permit, only during the season.
Even so, the guns must be returned to the police station by 22:00, therefore an overnight carry is illegal in principle unless you're a law enforcement officer yourself.
In this Sejong murder case, they were the shooter's own guns, and he reportedly did comply with all the rules, including valid license and permit.
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3DR



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
Chaparrastique wrote:
Attitudes to animals reflect attitudes to people.

So where are all the cannibals?


LOL
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optik404



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chaparrastique wrote:
Lets hope Korea overreacts as they usually do and bans all shotguns.

The only people carrying shotguns are hunters ie people that enjoy killing animals.
Attitudes to animals reflect attitudes to people.


What if you enjoy eating meat? Does that mean I enjoy killing animals? Or is that only for the hunters?
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Sister Ray



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

optik404 wrote:


What if you enjoy eating meat? Does that mean I enjoy killing animals?


Probably not. But, it does mean you enjoy having animals killed for you.
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The Cosmic Hum



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sister Ray wrote:
optik404 wrote:


What if you enjoy eating meat? Does that mean I enjoy killing animals?


Probably not. But, it does mean you enjoy having animals killed for you.

Not too sure about that one.

Many people feel ill at ease with any vivid thought of being personally responsible for having animals killed for them.
Disassociation is key to meat eating...yes?
One reason why we call cows-beef / pigs-pork.
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joelove



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Cosmic Hum wrote:

Disassociation is key to meat eating...yes?
One reason why we call cows-beef / pigs-pork.


Doesn't work for all animals though like chicken, lamb, or turkey. And for pigs there's pork, ham, bacon. A magical animal.

Sort of funny in Korea (and wherever else) restaurant and food names often just include the animal name. And the smiling cartoon pig on the window with a knife and fork. Hmm, I taste good, come eat me and my whole family.
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:

The Cosmic Hum wrote:

Disassociation is key to meat eating...yes?
One reason why we call cows-beef / pigs-pork.


Doesn't work for all animals though like chicken, lamb, or turkey. And for pigs there's pork, ham, bacon. A magical animal.

Sort of funny in Korea (and wherever else) restaurant and food names often just include the animal name. And the smiling cartoon pig on the window with a knife and fork. Hmm, I taste good, come eat me and my whole family.


Actually the names of animals come from Anglo Saxon, cow, pig etc... While the meat names come from Norman French and therefore originally Latin. One theory is the Anglo Saxons had to look after the animals while the Normans ate them, but it's not definitive.
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Chaparrastique



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Cosmic Hum wrote:
Disassociation is key to meat eating...yes?
One reason why we call cows-beef / pigs-pork.


Gotta laff at the armchair theories of people who have never studied the english language.

FYI beef comes from the french word boeuf, pork in french is porc. The names of animals are from anglo-saxon, demonstrating the different roles the two ethnicities played in england at that time.

I highly doubt the norman invaders of the 11th century felt guilty about eating livestock.

Optik404 wrote:
What if you enjoy eating meat? Does that mean I enjoy killing animals?


I don't enjoy killing animals, but I have nothing much against raising farm animals that are then humanely killed.

My original point was against hunters who unnecesarily target natural, biologically valuable species (not domestic animals) in already-stressed ecosystems. Not only are they usually clueless about what they hit, hunting itself often only injures or maims wild animals. It also leaves lead shot scattered around, with further poisons various creatures into long and painful deaths. The sort of people who enjoy killing and don't actually care about the natural environment should not be given guns to play with. I dislike hunting full stop. Unless for specific beneficial reasons (ie targeting invasive species).
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The Cosmic Hum



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
Quote:

The Cosmic Hum wrote:

Disassociation is key to meat eating...yes?
One reason why we call cows-beef / pigs-pork.


Doesn't work for all animals though like chicken, lamb, or turkey. And for pigs there's pork, ham, bacon. A magical animal.

Sort of funny in Korea (and wherever else) restaurant and food names often just include the animal name. And the smiling cartoon pig on the window with a knife and fork. Hmm, I taste good, come eat me and my whole family.


Actually the names of animals come from Anglo Saxon, cow, pig etc... While the meat names come from Norman French and therefore originally Latin. One theory is the Anglo Saxons had to look after the animals while the Normans ate them, but it's not definitive.

Yeah, I've heard/read the theory on that, too.
Perhaps, then, I should have said...'still use'
We use language in creative ways, and perhaps one of the reasons we still use beef and pork is to disassociate it from the act.
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The Cosmic Hum



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chaparrastique wrote:
The Cosmic Hum wrote:
Disassociation is key to meat eating...yes?
One reason why we call cows-beef / pigs-pork.


Gotta laff at the armchair theories of people who have never studied the english language.


Whatever.
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