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ricochet
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Ah, come on! Let her go free. In her world/ our world, she's done nothing nothing wrongly! Yeah, those peanuts are not enough to satisfy my appetite when on a plane like that too! Gully, gee whiz, you people are so savage and living in the past! All of you should be arrested or at the least warned for being human but not the fucking same as me! *beep* you! There's a difference between being innately affluent and vindictively peasant! She's been wronged! 
c'mon, no guilt in you? Be the first to stone me, strike me with your complacence and transparent self-righteousness! She's the victim of you and your imperialistically cultural western philosophy. (*beep* you.) |
That's what brought the down-fall of essentially most of the world's monarchs in the late-19th, and early-20th century. A disconnect with the masses. The cycle will repeat itself. I'll probably be long dead when the next one comes to rolling heads. |
Yours would be first.
She is being portrayed as behaving like an American princess that couldn't get her own way! Just like you! Her individualist philosophical American-English way of controlling and dominating the situation that has been so prominently taught here as part of the linguistic Western culture along with the predominantly phonetically sounding desired Englishee which is assumed the globally standard way of being imperialistically accepted as internationally cultured is exactly what determined her unjust fate. *beep* you and the horse ya'all rode in on. |
The American Princess rubbish is just a way to divert attention from Korean culture as practised even now. Being appalling to so called 'inferiors' is very much part of the Korean hierarchy. I saw it everyday in an EPIK job where the male principal verbally bullied Korean female staff especially the young school receptionist, and actually hit a few young Korean male staff in front of everybody over the course of a year in the staff room.
This pathetic performance by a spoilt Korean brat lording it over what she calls her inferiors would never fly with its equivalent in the UK, Canada, US, Australia and New Zealand. For starters. And definitely not a plane flight. In treating the airplane as her personal space to make flight attendants feel like dirt and then make them kneel and apologise to her she did a Korea hieirarchy move.
If she had been the daughter of a western executive doing this believe me she would have been thrown off the plane within minutes. Security would have been called and she would have been escorted off and told she would face criminal charges for causing a security breach as well as committing harassment and verbal abuse.
This was a quintessentially Korean crime. Just as well it happened in a western country because it would have been excused in Korea and then forgotten about. There is a lot of face saving going in Korea about it - there was mention in the courtroom about Korea's 'image' - the emphasis in Korea was less about violating international aviation law as well as violating decent standards of behaviour towards other human beings.
This plane incident was Korean hierarchy shown to the world. |
Not a chance in hell, baby-girl. Heather Cho is being wronged. She is a victim NOT at fault for her unconsciously, pettily excusable American English imperialist behavior in that extremely stressful situation. She acted and responded like any American princess is any similar situation and you know it. People like Heather Cho are perfect commercially conditioned entertaining bait for ignorantly blind imperialistic fluent or taught English language understanding peasants and unscrupulously thinking media ambitious opportunists. She's done nothing wrongly except acting the way she was raised both American culturally and Korean culturally. geez... 13  |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| earthquakez wrote: |
If she had been the daughter of a western executive doing this believe me she would have been thrown off the plane within minutes. Security would have been called and she would have been escorted off and told she would face criminal charges for causing a security breach as well as committing harassment and verbal abuse.
This was a quintessentially Korean crime. Just as well it happened in a western country because it would have been excused in Korea and then forgotten about. There is a lot of face saving going in Korea about it - there was mention in the courtroom about Korea's 'image' - the emphasis in Korea was less about violating international aviation law as well as violating decent standards of behaviour towards other human beings.
This plane incident was Korean hierarchy shown to the world. |
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/04/entertainment/conrad-hilton-assaulting-intimidating-flight-attendants-charge/
What do we have here? An CEO's offspring going nuts on a plane. Not getting thrown off.
Apparently although it happened last summer, nothing about it was brought till light until now. I guess daddy's attempts to hush this up finally fell through. He smoked in the bathroom and called passengers peasants. He assaulted flight attendants. He threatened to get all of them fired and was certainly more over the top than Cho, yet he wasn't thrown off the plane either.
But I'm sure this is somehow the fault of Korean culture. I guess when we do it, its an outlier. When they do it, its because of their culture. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/04/entertainment/conrad-hilton-assaulting-intimidating-flight-attendants-charge/
What do we have here? An CEO's offspring going nuts on a plane. Not getting thrown off.
Apparently although it happened last summer, nothing about it was brought till light until now. I guess daddy's attempts to hush this up finally fell through. He smoked in the bathroom and called passengers peasants. He assaulted flight attendants. He threatened to get all of them fired and was certainly more over the top than Cho, yet he wasn't thrown off the plane either.
But I'm sure this is somehow the fault of Korean culture. I guess when we do it, its an outlier. When they do it, its because of their culture. |
It happened mid-flight, hence difficult to throw someone out. |
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earthquakez
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| Exactly. A little birdie just doesn't get it. Again. |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:59 am Post subject: |
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When we do it? We? Are we all members of the Hilton family?
Earthquakez, little birdie is right.
| Steelrails wrote: |
| earthquakez wrote: |
If she had been the daughter of a western executive doing this believe me she would have been thrown off the plane within minutes. Security would have been called and she would have been escorted off and told she would face criminal charges for causing a security breach as well as committing harassment and verbal abuse.
This was a quintessentially Korean crime. Just as well it happened in a western country because it would have been excused in Korea and then forgotten about. There is a lot of face saving going in Korea about it - there was mention in the courtroom about Korea's 'image' - the emphasis in Korea was less about violating international aviation law as well as violating decent standards of behaviour towards other human beings.
This plane incident was Korean hierarchy shown to the world. |
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/04/entertainment/conrad-hilton-assaulting-intimidating-flight-attendants-charge/
What do we have here? An CEO's offspring going nuts on a plane. Not getting thrown off.
Apparently although it happened last summer, nothing about it was brought till light until now. I guess daddy's attempts to hush this up finally fell through. He smoked in the bathroom and called passengers peasants. He assaulted flight attendants. He threatened to get all of them fired and was certainly more over the top than Cho, yet he wasn't thrown off the plane either.
But I'm sure this is somehow the fault of Korean culture. I guess when we do it, its an outlier. When they do it, its because of their culture. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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It happened mid-flight, hence difficult to throw someone out. |
It started 5 minutes after takeoff. And I'd think with most normal passengers, the moment you say "I'm going to bleeping kill you" to a flight attendant would cause the pilot to instantly land the plane.
He made a death threat to a stewardess. If you or I did that, it would be an instant landing, booting, and police takedown.
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| When we do it? We? Are we all members of the Hilton family? |
Are all Koreans the same? When one of them does something wrong, "we" (the Dave's ESL crowd) blame their entire culture, not the individual.
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| Exactly. A little birdie just doesn't get it. Again. |
Actually, you aren't getting it. Your point was that there would have been an instant and severe reaction had an American heir or heiress behaved the same way. By all accounts he was allowed to behave that way until he passed out. The incident didn't come out until MONTHS afterward. He wasn't arrested and hauled off by the police, he went on his way, was given an indicted-CEO style "business meeting" with the FBI, and allowed to go on his merry way.
So both cultures can have spoiled, entitled heirs or heiresses that behave badly on planes and berate flight attendants and abuse them. However, in only one has the offender been swiftly brought to justice. The other one sees the 'Hilton' name, associates him with Paris, and puts it on the pay no mind list. The man was allowed to go about his business for over 6 months before even having charges brought.
Sorry, but your point has been completely and utterly invalidated. You tried to make this some uniquely Korean phenomenon. It wasn't. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Are all Koreans the same? When one of them does something wrong, "we" (the Dave's ESL crowd) blame their entire culture, not the individual. |
How many times a day do you hear a Korean use the term "we/our"?
"We Koreans like _____"
I try not to lump all Koreans into the same bunch, but thats fighting how so many speak/think here.
And you know that. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Heather Cho is being wronged. She is a victim NOT at fault for her unconsciously, pettily excusable American English imperialist behavior in that extremely stressful situation. |
Hmm... not responsible for her own behavior, and passing the blame onto others? Very Korean.
I am surprised this whole thing has gotten this much traction though. If it happened IN Korea it probably all would have been buried by now. But since she disgraced the country internationally, apparently they have to make an example of her. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| ricochet wrote: |
| Heather Cho is being wronged. She is a victim NOT at fault for her unconsciously, pettily excusable American English imperialist behavior in that extremely stressful situation. |
Hmm... not responsible for her own behavior, and passing the blame onto others? Very Korean.
I am surprised this whole thing has gotten this much traction though. If it happened IN Korea it probably all would have been buried by now. But since she disgraced the country internationally, apparently they have to make an example of her. |
This is clearly a Korean thing because thankfully back home we can't see any examples of politicians, celebrities, and business leaders passing the buck or refusing to take any blame. When they invade countries over WMDs or bankrupt their companies they are hauled off to jail, not given speaking tours and bailouts.
Also, there's plenty of times a Korean head is brought down domestically and it creates a huge story with people out for blood and the perpetrators arrested. If you read the whole news and aren't selective about it, you'd realize this.
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How many times a day do you hear a Korean use the term "we/our"?
"We Koreans like _____"
I try not to lump all Koreans into the same bunch, but thats fighting how so many speak/think here.
And you know that.
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Well, there's a definitely that. But how many exceptions to that do you know, and to what degree?
Why is it when a Korean does something wrong, its because of their culture and the fact that they are Korean, but when we do something or something happens back home, they are individuals?
Is Conrad Hilton part of American culture? If he is, fine (and there is at least some evidence to suggest his notoriety stems from American culture if one thinks along those lines). Then there is nothing "Korean" about this nutrage. If he isn't, and just an extreme individual, then we have to ask why he is lone nut, but Cho is an example of her culture and whether or not we are applying the same standard to ourselves as we apply to Koreans. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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No. I definitely think there's room for things being "part of the American culture" as well.
One issue is, America is just so damn diverse, it's often harder to pin down its culture. |
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candy bar
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
| ricochet wrote: |
| Heather Cho is being wronged. She is a victim NOT at fault for her unconsciously, pettily excusable American English imperialist behavior in that extremely stressful situation. |
Hmm... not responsible for her own behavior, and passing the blame onto others? Very Korean.
I am surprised this whole thing has gotten this much traction though. If it happened IN Korea it probably all would have been buried by now. But since she disgraced the country internationally, apparently they have to make an example of her. |
This is clearly a Korean thing because thankfully back home we can't see any examples of politicians, celebrities, and business leaders passing the buck or refusing to take any blame. When they invade countries over WMDs or bankrupt their companies they are hauled off to jail, not given speaking tours and bailouts.
Also, there's plenty of times a Korean head is brought down domestically and it creates a huge story with people out for blood and the perpetrators arrested. If you read the whole news and aren't selective about it, you'd realize this.
| Captain Corea wrote: |
How many times a day do you hear a Korean use the term "we/our"?
"We Koreans like _____"
I try not to lump all Koreans into the same bunch, but thats fighting how so many speak/think here.
And you know that.
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Well, there's a definitely that. But how many exceptions to that do you know, and to what degree?
Why is it when a Korean does something wrong, its because of their culture and the fact that they are Korean, but when we do something or something happens back home, they are individuals?
Is Conrad Hilton part of American culture? If he is, fine (and there is at least some evidence to suggest his notoriety stems from American culture if one thinks along those lines). Then there is nothing "Korean" about this nutrage. If he isn't, and just an extreme individual, then we have to ask why he is lone nut, but Cho is an example of her culture and whether or not we are applying the same standard to ourselves as we apply to Koreans. |
It's because Koreans a pure blood. There's your answer. |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:03 am Post subject: |
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And they are good at science because they use chopsticks.
| candy bar wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
| ricochet wrote: |
| Heather Cho is being wronged. She is a victim NOT at fault for her unconsciously, pettily excusable American English imperialist behavior in that extremely stressful situation. |
Hmm... not responsible for her own behavior, and passing the blame onto others? Very Korean.
I am surprised this whole thing has gotten this much traction though. If it happened IN Korea it probably all would have been buried by now. But since she disgraced the country internationally, apparently they have to make an example of her. |
This is clearly a Korean thing because thankfully back home we can't see any examples of politicians, celebrities, and business leaders passing the buck or refusing to take any blame. When they invade countries over WMDs or bankrupt their companies they are hauled off to jail, not given speaking tours and bailouts.
Also, there's plenty of times a Korean head is brought down domestically and it creates a huge story with people out for blood and the perpetrators arrested. If you read the whole news and aren't selective about it, you'd realize this.
| Captain Corea wrote: |
How many times a day do you hear a Korean use the term "we/our"?
"We Koreans like _____"
I try not to lump all Koreans into the same bunch, but thats fighting how so many speak/think here.
And you know that.
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Well, there's a definitely that. But how many exceptions to that do you know, and to what degree?
Why is it when a Korean does something wrong, its because of their culture and the fact that they are Korean, but when we do something or something happens back home, they are individuals?
Is Conrad Hilton part of American culture? If he is, fine (and there is at least some evidence to suggest his notoriety stems from American culture if one thinks along those lines). Then there is nothing "Korean" about this nutrage. If he isn't, and just an extreme individual, then we have to ask why he is lone nut, but Cho is an example of her culture and whether or not we are applying the same standard to ourselves as we apply to Koreans. |
It's because Koreans a pure blood. There's your answer. |
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