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Nester Noodlemon
Joined: 16 Jan 2009
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 Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:29 am Post subject: Re: Yet another Korean-American: attempted murder |
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Old Painless
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:14 am Post subject: |
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What do you think the average Korean in Korea would have to say if a white Anglo with Korean citizenship murdered a whole bunch of Korean students at Yonsei, or Korea university? How do you think the average Korean would react if this story repeated itself over and over, as in the case with "Korean-Americans" in America? Wait, be honest with yourself before you respond with one of your long winded BS posts. |
Yes, we know that. We complain about it enough. That was the whole point of my comment- it was to show how many of "us" have the same attitude as "them". If its fair to call it out when they do it, then its fair to call it out when we do it.
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All Koreans wishing to work or study in the US should have to produce clean criminal background checks.
With apostilles. |
Not just Koreans, everyone. I see no problem with that, especially if they are going to be working around children. Also, when it comes to how that is applied in Korea, ethnic Koreans with non-Korean nationality have to submit to those as well. Non-ethnic Korean permanent residents of Korea sometimes do not. |
Thank you for acknowledging that point then. That is the reason I posted the article, to show how Koreans take advantage of the American visa process for work, school, and everything else. In the meantime, one asshole like Christopher Paul Neil can cause a blanket reaction across all of Korea, demonizing every English teacher and making them go through legal hoops just to teach English. An otherwise great teacher has a DUI and he's banned from teaching in Korea. While Koreans with far worse violent behavioral problems sails through in America, only to commit murder, steal cars, join gangs, commit fraud, the list goes on and on.
Yes, the whole point here was to draw that comparison and show how Koreans have double standards. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| While Koreans with far worse violent behavioral problems sails through in America |
A lot of offences that would earn you a criminal record in the west (and block you from being allowed a visa to this country)....are acceptable everyday occurrences in korea.
Public drunkenness, public urination, assault of women - all these things are commonly overlooked in the ROK.
not to mention that Koreans often get away without a blemish on their record simply because of the blood money system. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| In the meantime, one asshole like Christopher Paul Neil can cause a blanket reaction across all of Korea, demonizing every English teacher and making them go through legal hoops just to teach English. |
About a week or so after the CPN story broke, I had lunch with a Korean friend who worked in an English hagwon. I asked her if people at her school were talking about Neil, and she honestly had no idea what I was talking about. When I told her the story, she said that maybe she remembered hearing something about it, but really wasn't sure.
And this was someone who worked at a place where the CPN story should have been big news. In the city where Neil had lived and worked.
I agree that immigration went into a mad panic over Neil, and brought in a bunch of goofy regulations, many of which were either irrelevant(eg. the dtug test) or inapplicable(eg. the apostille) to their concerns. The idea that there was a mass panic thoughout Korean society, directed against every single English teacher, is just hokum. I could count on one finger the number of Koreans who mentioned him to me. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| I've met a lot of really cool, laid back gyopos but none of them were from California. |
Avoid the Southern California gyopos like HIV. TRUST ME on this. |
What is it? They go to an already mean odd place like Southern California, and then interacting without any kind of barometer that tells them this place is different, you normally don't do this stuff, they start trying to fit in, and transform into Psi Weirdleys? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Old Painless wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Old Painless wrote: |
What do you think the average Korean in Korea would have to say if a white Anglo with Korean citizenship murdered a whole bunch of Korean students at Yonsei, or Korea university? How do you think the average Korean would react if this story repeated itself over and over, as in the case with "Korean-Americans" in America? Wait, be honest with yourself before you respond with one of your long winded BS posts. |
Yes, we know that. We complain about it enough. That was the whole point of my comment- it was to show how many of "us" have the same attitude as "them". If its fair to call it out when they do it, then its fair to call it out when we do it.
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All Koreans wishing to work or study in the US should have to produce clean criminal background checks.
With apostilles. |
Not just Koreans, everyone. I see no problem with that, especially if they are going to be working around children. Also, when it comes to how that is applied in Korea, ethnic Koreans with non-Korean nationality have to submit to those as well. Non-ethnic Korean permanent residents of Korea sometimes do not. |
Thank you for acknowledging that point then. That is the reason I posted the article, to show how Koreans take advantage of the American visa process for work, school, and everything else. In the meantime, one asshole like Christopher Paul Neil can cause a blanket reaction across all of Korea, demonizing every English teacher and making them go through legal hoops just to teach English. An otherwise great teacher has a DUI and he's banned from teaching in Korea. While Koreans with far worse violent behavioral problems sails through in America, only to commit murder, steal cars, join gangs, commit fraud, the list goes on and on.
Yes, the whole point here was to draw that comparison and show how Koreans have double standards. |
I think you join them in having double standards. You clearly don't consider Korean-Americans as "real Americans". There's a good chance this guy was 2nd generation. If so, he's an American citizen.
Not every teacher was demonized. Koreans just didn't want any pedophiles coming in and teaching kids. That's not some irrational fear when you can put on a basic safeguard like a CBC. And if you can't go without smoking pot for 30 days, you shouldn't be teaching overseas.
Heck the fact that they didn't have any regulatory system for so long speaks volumes. That was borderline reckless. If this is the same Korea, why weren't they out to demonize the foreigner then? |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I think you join them in having double standards. You clearly don't consider Korean-Americans as "real Americans". There's a good chance this guy was 2nd generation. If so, he's an American citizen. |
To be fair, Koreans do this as well what with the whole "you don't look American" thing, and migukin basically being conflated with blonde white folks. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I think you join them in having double standards. You clearly don't consider Korean-Americans as "real Americans". There's a good chance this guy was 2nd generation. If so, he's an American citizen. |
To be fair, Koreans do this as well what with the whole "you don't look American" thing, and migukin basically being conflated with blonde white folks. |
Yup, I agree. That's why I said "I think you join them in having double standards". Koreans do have double standards. Most cultures do this. I remember Mary Pierce, the tennis player, complaining about how when she won, she was the French Mary Pierce, but when she lost, she was the American Mary Pierce. |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| I think you join them in having double standards. You clearly don't consider Korean-Americans as "real Americans". |
Anyone who labels themselves as 'Korean-American' doesn't consider themselves a true American. And why does the word Korean have to go first?
Am I a British-Canadian? An Irish-American? An Indian-Australian? No, I simply identify myself by my nationality. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I think you join them in having double standards. You clearly don't consider Korean-Americans as "real Americans". |
Anyone who labels themselves as 'Korean-American' doesn't consider themselves a true American. And why does the word Korean have to go first?
Am I a British-Canadian? An Irish-American? An Indian-Australian? No, I simply identify myself by my nationality. |
Actually, these responses are a response to physical descriptors and questions regarding one's ethnicity.
It often comes about as a response to a lifetimes of questions such as "No, where are you REALLY from?" or "What's your REAL name?". But of course Korea is where we first experience this and only Koreans are noteworthy for their ignorant questions they ask of people who don't look like them.
Lastly, Korean-American is just a shorter way of saying American of Korean descent, which would have been necessary to make my sentence have any logical meaning.
Any comments on the OP's double standard? Are you going to call it out for the ignorance and bigotry that it is? |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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So why are these descriptors attached primarily to people who are not caucasian?
American, to use one example, does not require white skin. It is by your nationality. American is not a race. Neither is Korean.
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| I think you join them in having double standards. You clearly don't consider Korean-Americans as "real Americans". |
Anyone who labels themselves as 'Korean-American' doesn't consider themselves a true American. And why does the word Korean have to go first?
Am I a British-Canadian? An Irish-American? An Indian-Australian? No, I simply identify myself by my nationality. |
Actually, these responses are a response to physical descriptors and questions regarding one's ethnicity.
It often comes about as a response to a lifetimes of questions such as "No, where are you REALLY from?" or "What's your REAL name?". But of course Korea is where we first experience this and only Koreans are noteworthy for their ignorant questions they ask of people who don't look like them.
Lastly, Korean-American is just a shorter way of saying American of Korean descent, which would have been necessary to make my sentence have any logical meaning.
Any comments on the OP's double standard? Are you going to call it out for the ignorance and bigotry that it is? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:18 am Post subject: |
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So why are these descriptors attached primarily to people who are not caucasian?
American, to use one example, does not require white skin. It is by your nationality. American is not a race. Neither is Korean.
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Actually, its attached, or was historically attached to, plenty of caucasian people. Irish-Americans, Italian Americans, Russian-Americans, German-Americans. I consider them Americans.
Another example might be French-Canadian. I still consider them Canadians. Not to clear, but would Scots-Irish qualify? Heck, people in the UK might identify as Welsh or Cornish, but I'd consider them Brits.
Afrikaaners are Africans, yes? |
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