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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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Officials at Seoul's Jongno police station said they were aware of Kim's violent history, but did not consider the possibility that he would show up at the breakfast meeting, despite his ties to the group that hosted it.
When Kim Ki-jong entered the hall where the attack happened, a police officer asked one of the event organizers whether Kim should be allowed to enter, Yun, the Jongno district police chief, said. The organizing official answered that Kim could enter because he was associated with an organization that had been invited to the meeting.
A security expert called the police inept.
"There is no excuse for allowing a blacklisted person to enter the venue for an event like this," said Yu Hyung-chang, a professor at the Kyungnam University in Changwon who served in South Korea's presidential secret service for 20 years until 2000. "If you are going to let him enter, then the very basic thing to do is to have an officer stay close to him at all times."
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Monday's expert.
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| According to your worldview if the USA ceases to have a military presence in Korea and elsewhere all will be well. |
No. They will have to solve their problems without USA.
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| You are sounding like the irrational anti-USA, pro-North Korean regime |
You didn't see 1 Korea before? This has nothing to do with North and South.
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| There is no indication that China would be remotely better |
There is also no indication China or Russia shouldn't control USA either. However, USA has the right to control their country. If an issue involved Canada or Mexico, I wouldn't look to China to intervene. You are not using common sense to address this. Maybe you are conditioned to spout American rhetoric and ignore location. Allow Asia to solve their problems. Allow the Middle East to solve their problems. USA has medical, health, economic and political issues they need to address before they go around telling other countries what to do.
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| This is no alternative to the USA where at least better living standards, income and human rights compensate for its own establishment's problems. |
I have lived 30 years in the USA and 10 in Asian countries. I personally don't see how living standards are bad here. Chinese homeless people sell things in the street to survive. When I see the homeless in the USA, they are in parks and usually have a bottle of liquor with them.
China has a much longer history than America which isn't even 100 years old if you consider the year the 50th state was established. Chinese don't seem have the complaints westerners think they do. There is a rich section of people living in Beijing (and probably Shanghai too) that feel they have extra rights to things other Chinese don't. That is not a sign of the government but of those with money.
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| You obviously don't understand South Koreans at all if you think they will be happy at the idea let alone the practice of one Korea under the Chinese thumb as that is the only way it will happen if the USA leaves. |
South Koreans have already talked to me about this. They come to China to study because it is cheaper and they go back to Korea to take tests. They also take HSK tests which are Chinese tests.
You obviously don't understand how some Koreans view the USA. Listen to only one side if you want, but there is another side that wants America out. I don't see anything you stated so far that provides an argument for Korea to be run under USA rule.
Instead of posting these long diatribes of nonsense, try typing 4 sentences or less which explain why the USA should be allowed to do what other countries aren't. They are allowed to have nuclear weapons, military bases in other countries, and pick and choose when sanctions will be applied against countries that disagree with them. How about the USA have sanctions against them for human rights violations?
Right now they are keeping the North Koreans starving while supporting the South Koreans. This should be a crime against humanity and the leaders should be sent to the Hague. |
You live in a world of theory which is nice on paper but solves nothing in the real world. All the Australians, Canadians, etc who joined the Americans in defending the south from North Korean troops fighting with the aid of the Chinese military did not enjoy fighting and in some cases dying for Korea.
The list of the dead includes many non Koreans from many western countries including Norwegians who had a proud record of medical assistance to the most vulnerable Koreans. All these countries are regularly remembered in Seoul each year by South Korean citizens' groups.
No person with any real knowledge of history would deny the tragedies that came for various countries after the Allied forces won WW2. But the fact is South Korea could only become a prosperous, first world member of the global community by having an American presence.
Many non Koreans died so the South Koreans now can live in a high consumption society, excessively materialistic and competitive - the South Koreans want this kind of society and those pro North Korean young people and excessively nationalistic young people in South Korea ignore the foreign dead who facilitated their comfortable lifestyles.
As for the South Koreans travelling to China to study etc and agreeing with your opinion, these same Koreans want to float in and out of other countries especially the USA. They want all the benefits of living in other countries but resent non Koreans in their own. They can only afford to study abroad and live abroad because South Korea kicked the North and Chinese out of their country with massive financial assistance and loss of life from westerners as well as Koreans.
As for the Middle East - Saudi Arabia funds wars all over it but will not accept mass intakes of refugees as well as other Muslim populations. Quatar is the same. The USA withdrawing from the ME will see more of the same. The regions and peoples of the ME had conflicts for centuries before western colonialism including between different Islamic sects.
In more recent times modern Turkey which once was non Muslim, non Arabic Byzantium before the Ottoman Empire, was formed by importing Arabic peoples and troops under Ataturk. It was built on the bones of the Armenians who were subjected to a planned genocidal program at which German authorities were observers.
None of your assertions carry any weight of historical perspective and knowledge. |
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radish kimchi
Joined: 20 Mar 2014
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Cut down on your diatribe. Focus on what you want to state in shorter parts. I will keep my replies to only a few sentences. Typing long-winded replies doesn't make your position stronger. Be short, be concise, and try to make a point.
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| You live in a world of theory which is nice on paper but solves nothing in the real world. |
I get the feeling you are playing opposites with me.
Theory would be saying, "Let's take control of an existing conflict in another part of the world."
That's not what I am doing. I am being an empiricist. I see Americans trying to take control and "help" which sounds good on paper, but in reality it creates more problems. The conflict still exists with Korea, and now families are broken up. Maybe you don't care about this, but many other countries do value it more than Americanism.
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The list of the dead includes many non Koreans from many western countries including Norwegians who had a proud record of medical assistance to the most vulnerable Koreans. All these countries are regularly remembered in Seoul each year by South Korean citizens' groups.
No person with any real knowledge of history would deny the tragedies that came for various countries after the Allied forces won WW2. But the fact is South Korea could only become a prosperous, first world member of the global community by having an American presence.
Many non Koreans died so the South Koreans now can live in a high consumption society, excessively materialistic and competitive - the South Koreans want this kind of society and those pro North Korean young people and excessively nationalistic young people in South Korea ignore the foreign dead who facilitated their comfortable lifestyles. |
This part of your diatribe is all rhetoric. You don't justify killing by saying there is a group of well to do people prospering. That's apartheid thinking.
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| The USA withdrawing from the ME will see more of the same. The regions and peoples of the ME had conflicts for centuries before western colonialism including between different Islamic sects. |
More of the same is going on now. Open your eyes. Oh, because the USA is there you turn your head and not recognize ISIS, Kurdish fighting, Qatar issues, etc...?
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| None of your assertions carry any weight of historical perspective and knowledge. |
I am not asserting anything. Again, you are playing opposites. You are asserting USA's presence will help and make it better somehow. It isn't. It might look good on paper, but in reality we need to allow countries to rule themselves, not by proxy. |
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radish kimchi
Joined: 20 Mar 2014
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Right now they are keeping the North Koreans starving while supporting the South Koreans. This should be a crime against humanity and the leaders should be sent to the Hague. |
Nope. They are responsible for their own misery. North Korea has not been food self-sufficient since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Are you going to blame the gulags on the US as well? |
Hopefully, there will be a 1 Korea again. US, pack up your military presence and leave. |
You obviously have an inability to debate. |
Because I don't agree with you and expose America's wrongdoing, I am not good at debate?
1. How is breaking families up good in Korea? America does it, they even have divorce lawyers ready to break up the family easily.
2. How is nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki a precedent to go into other countries that didn't attack them?
3. Why should the USA be allowed to build military bases in other countries but no one else can? I don't see Chinese military bases outside Hawaii.
Show your ability to debate and answer these questions.
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SHGator428
Joined: 05 Sep 2014
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| radish kimchi wrote: |
Cut down on your diatribe. Focus on what you want to state in shorter parts. I will keep my replies to only a few sentences. Typing long-winded replies doesn't make your position stronger. Be short, be concise, and try to make a point.
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Welcome back, KimchiNinja. |
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radish kimchi
Joined: 20 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| radish kimchi wrote: |
Cut down on your diatribe. Focus on what you want to state in shorter parts. I will keep my replies to only a few sentences. Typing long-winded replies doesn't make your position stronger. Be short, be concise, and try to make a point.
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Welcome back, KimchiNinja. |
I am not KimchiNinja.
If I make a name it isn't capitalized. Also if it is two nouns I usually put a space in between. |
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Koharski
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Joined: 20 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, everyone aside, from the two-three "debaters," has lost interest in this discussion. Bring it back on topic, or the thread will be locked.
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SHGator428
Joined: 05 Sep 2014
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, everyone aside, from the two-three "debaters," has lost interest in this discussion. Bring it back on topic, or the thread will be locked.
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Go ahead and lock it. It's run it's course already. |
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radish kimchi
Joined: 20 Mar 2014
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radish kimchi
Joined: 20 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I say lock it. I have said what I could say. I would just be repeating the same points or bringing up off-topic remarks about America. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Right now they are keeping the North Koreans starving while supporting the South Koreans. This should be a crime against humanity and the leaders should be sent to the Hague. |
Nope. They are responsible for their own misery. North Korea has not been food self-sufficient since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Are you going to blame the gulags on the US as well? |
Hopefully, there will be a 1 Korea again. US, pack up your military presence and leave. |
You obviously have an inability to debate. |
Because I don't agree with you and expose America's wrongdoing, I am not good at debate?
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You asserted that the US was responsible for North Koreans starving. I called you out on it and you did not bother even trying to back up your previous statement. |
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Enrico Palazzo
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| Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| It's evident that some posters want this to be taken off topic. Let's get back to how the Korean sliced up the American today. |
What is this all about? Sheesh. Follow the T-O-S. |
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