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Zackback

Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:32 pm Post subject: China now was Korea in the 90's

China now was Korea in the 90's. This is in terms of easily available jobs, the casualness of the locals as well as the teachers and of course the novelty of just being me. I feel like I stepped back in time to Korea in the 1990's. I hope this feeling never dies.

Underwaterbob

Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:22 pm Post subject:

Which was probably Japan in the 70s or 80s. Give it another ten years.

Chaparrastique

Joined: 01 Jan 2014

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: China now was Korea in the 90's

Zackback wrote:

China now was Korea in the 90's. This is in terms of easily available jobs, the casualness of the locals as well as the teachers and of course the novelty of just being me. I feel like I stepped back in time to Korea in the 1990's.

I hope this feeling never dies.

I wonder if it will follow the same pattern as Korea. ie gradually tightening visa restrictions, teachers demonized as drug adicts, etc etc.

Plain Meaning

Joined: 18 Oct 2014

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: China now was Korea in the 90's

Chaparrastique wrote:

Zackback wrote:

I wonder if it will follow the same pattern as Korea. ie gradually tightening visa restrictions, teachers demonized as drug adicts, etc etc.

The Chinese are less racist but their government and society is more primitive. I would imagine frightful visa restrictions and very little increase in stigma.

andrewchon

Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:22 am Post subject: Re: China now was Korea in the 90's

Plain Meaning wrote:

The Chinese are less racist but their government and society is more primitive. I would imagine frightful visa restrictions and very little increase in stigma.

Whoa, them's fighting words to Han Chinese. You might see them as 'less racist ...' but that's not how the Han sees themselves. They are very proud to be racist and have an advanced civilization that is 5000+ years old. Well, they'll thank you for the information and will decidedly up their game.

northway

Joined: 05 Jul 2010

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:46 am Post subject: Re: China now was Korea in the 90's

andrewchon wrote:

Plain Meaning wrote:

The Chinese are less racist but their government and society is more primitive. I would imagine frightful visa restrictions and very little increase in stigma.

Well, I think there's a significant distinction in terms of what that identity means though. Han identity is linguistically based, and has historically amalgamated a number of other ethnicities (where did the Manchus go, one might ask). As such, a native speaker who was born and bred in China, particularly one with Han ancestry on one side, would have a much better chance of gaining acceptance into the culture than someone in the same situation would in Korea. The natural inclination in Korea is to reject those who aren't pure, while the natural inclination in China is to include those who adopt the language and culture. These are broad generalizations, but I think there's a marked difference in terms of who fits in and what it means to fit in.

Plain Meaning

Joined: 18 Oct 2014

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:30 am Post subject: Re: China now was Korea in the 90's

andrewchon wrote:

Plain Meaning wrote:

The Chinese are less racist but their government and society is more primitive. I would imagine frightful visa restrictions and very little increase in stigma.

Cultural chauvinism is not the same as racism. The Chinese are more inclusive than the Koreans. See northway's post above.

EastisEast

Joined: 29 May 2014
Location: Canada

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:48 pm Post subject:

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The natural inclination in Korea is to reject those who aren't pure, while the natural inclination in China is to include those who adopt the language and culture.

Not true.

How many times have my 'Chinese' friends who've been born in Canada or the US been rejected, scorned, laughed at when they go to China by the locals. They are seen as practical enemies! Spies!

There is culture, and with the PRC, there is politics. I wouldn't say 'culture' as long as there is a government like the one China has now ...

Government culture only allowed Rolling Eyes

And yes Korean culture is fairly racist. The movie Cloud Atlas took a swing at that issue with 'pure bloods' and others.

northway

Joined: 05 Jul 2010

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:41 pm Post subject:

EastisEast wrote:

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The natural inclination in Korea is to reject those who aren't pure, while the natural inclination in China is to include those who adopt the language and culture.

And yes Korean culture is fairly racist. The movie Cloud Atlas took a swing at that issue with 'pure bloods' and others.

I think this proves my point more than it disproves it.