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Chaparrastique
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 Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:07 am Post subject: K-pop ripping off western artists. |
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Almost every other K-pop song I hear is either blatantly or recognizably a rip-off of a familiar western song. Why don't they ever get sued?
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| A jury awarded Marvin Gaye's children nearly $7.4 million Tuesday after determining singers Robin Thicke and Pharrell Williams copied their father's music to create "Blurred Lines," the biggest hit song of 2013. (March 10) AP |
Because in Korea anybody elses music is considered fair game - to copy and pass off as your own. |
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p1asmid
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| Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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Ralph Winfield
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| Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Wonder Girls had a stolen song in their first year on the charts here in Korea. The Marmot's Hole blogger complained about their rip-offs more than a few times. Sorry for not being able to recall the name of the stolen number. |
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metalhead
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| Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| p1asmid wrote: |
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There have been many cases of it, however in order for someone to identify them all would require that person to actually listen to K-pop, and in my case I'd rather have bamboo strips shoved under my fingernails than have to listen to that rubbish. |
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: K-pop ripping off western artists. |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
Almost every other K-pop song I hear is either blatantly or recognizably a rip-off of a familiar western song. Why don't they ever get sued?
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| A jury awarded Marvin Gaye's children nearly $7.4 million Tuesday after determining singers Robin Thicke and Pharrell Williams copied their father's music to create "Blurred Lines," the biggest hit song of 2013. (March 10) AP |
Because in Korea anybody elses music is considered fair game - to copy and pass off as your own. |
You know that it's a pretty crappy verdict in regards to 'blurred lines'.
This article pretty much explains it all - https://www.yahoo.com/music/no-one-will-ever-have-an-influence-again-or-why-113352865621.html
I heard the crappy Blurred lines and the equally crappy original by Marvin Gaye and I will say that while they are both crappy, they are crappy in very different ways and actually do not sound all that similar.
Basically, as the article points out, with this verdict, every singer/song can now be sued for a few mill.
Still - more money for the law market, more jobs for the lawyers/judges/etc. If you are in the military business, you start blaming other countries that they have WMD's and then bomb them to bits, and bomb others later on - good business. If you are in the law business, you start giving out some of the most nonsensical verdicts which lead to people start suing for some of the most dumbest things - because now there's money to be 'won'.
Then again, USA has always been about getting millions for falling down on the floor in a supermarket, or getting millions for spilling your own coffee on yourself. I believe this is what's usually called the American dream or the American law casino payout. |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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The Wonder Girls' song was "Tell Me" (anyone here then could never forget, it was played everywhere relentlessly) and it was a "ripoff" of a Stacy Q's "Two of Hearts", though apparently they paid for the rights to "sample", which in a lot of cases seems to actually mean "copy the song chord for chord almost verbatim and change a couple of the sounds".
That said, I'm going to play the part of Steelrails here and say that pop music is constantly being "ripped off" the world over. Listen to Stevie Wonder and Coolio or Queen and Vanilla Ice or Chic and Sugarhill Gang or Rick James and MC Hammer. It's hardly a Korean phenomenon. K-pop has gotten big enough that other countries' pop groups are now ripping them off. |
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sligo
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| Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
The Wonder Girls' song was "Tell Me" (anyone here then could never forget, it was played everywhere relentlessly) and it was a "ripoff" of a Stacy Q's "Two of Hearts", though apparently they paid for the rights to "sample", which in a lot of cases seems to actually mean "copy the song chord for chord almost verbatim and change a couple of the sounds".
That said, I'm going to play the part of Steelrails here and say that pop music is constantly being "ripped off" the world over. Listen to Stevie Wonder and Coolio or Queen and Vanilla Ice or Chic and Sugarhill Gang or Rick James and MC Hammer. It's hardly a Korean phenomenon. K-pop has gotten big enough that other countries' pop groups are now ripping them off. |
There is a difference between paying to use someone else's work, and using it without permission. I have also notice Korean bands using the names of western artists' and their work. There is a boyband called: "Big star" i Korea. i'm sure an American band owns the rights to that name. Another band is called: "Rubber Soul" as that is the name of a beatles album, surely that is a grey area. Also, Korean TV has a show called: "Beatles code"'. The also use the style the Beatles wrote their name as the logo. I can't believe they are paying royalties for that. |
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Died By Bear
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| Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Gangsta's Paradise by Coolio in 1995, I was saying the same damn thing every time I heard it playing everywhere I went. Koreans be like: "No, that made by Korean original!"
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Yaya
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| Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
The Wonder Girls' song was "Tell Me" (anyone here then could never forget, it was played everywhere relentlessly) and it was a "ripoff" of a Stacy Q's "Two of Hearts", though apparently they paid for the rights to "sample", which in a lot of cases seems to actually mean "copy the song chord for chord almost verbatim and change a couple of the sounds".
That said, I'm going to play the part of Steelrails here and say that pop music is constantly being "ripped off" the world over. Listen to Stevie Wonder and Coolio or Queen and Vanilla Ice or Chic and Sugarhill Gang or Rick James and MC Hammer. It's hardly a Korean phenomenon. K-pop has gotten big enough that other countries' pop groups are now ripping them off. |
Yeah, Korean pop is far from the only guilty party in the sampling/copying game. The OP is a dedicated Korea flamer whose hatred of all things Korean clouds his judgement. |
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Qonny
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| A student was playing an EDM version of "Hall of the Mountain King" by Grieg on his phone. I made some passing comment like "That's awful" and he told me I didn't know it, it was Korean music. He refused to believe me that it was one of the most famous pieces of music in the world and it was written in Norway about 150 years ago. "No! This is Korean music!" |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Ripped-off, shared, borrowed... Often the 'offending' party has paid for the rights to use the song.
Also, don't be so sure that the American version was the original. |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
Ripped-off, shared, borrowed... Often the 'offending' party has paid for the rights to use the song.
Also, don't be so sure that the American version was the original. |
I remember hearing an Indian song that was definitely copied from a Turkish song. I believe by the international star Tarkan. I doubt anything would happen. Turkish stars sometimes borrow the same way Koreans do. I doubt Americans listen to either Korean or Turkish music and go after them. It's smaller fish, besides. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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The difference between ripped off and legit sampled in Korean Pop is best illustrated through Turbo' s '회상' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HGm4FBTGmc and Jinusean's 'How Deep is Your Love' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G4ryotiF2E
Turbo's is clearly a rip off of 'I'll be Missing You', which in turn was a sample of Sting's 'Every Breath You Take'.
Jinusean's is obviously a pure sample.
As for contemporary KPop, I have no idea. I don't listen to it much. |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
The Wonder Girls' song was "Tell Me" (anyone here then could never forget, it was played everywhere relentlessly) and it was a "ripoff" of a Stacy Q's "Two of Hearts", though apparently they paid for the rights to "sample", which in a lot of cases seems to actually mean "copy the song chord for chord almost verbatim and change a couple of the sounds".
That said, I'm going to play the part of Steelrails here and say that pop music is constantly being "ripped off" the world over. Listen to Stevie Wonder and Coolio or Queen and Vanilla Ice or Chic and Sugarhill Gang or Rick James and MC Hammer. It's hardly a Korean phenomenon. K-pop has gotten big enough that other countries' pop groups are now ripping them off. |
There is a difference between paying to use someone else's work, and using it without permission. I have also notice Korean bands using the names of western artists' and their work. There is a boyband called: "Big star" i Korea. i'm sure an American band owns the rights to that name. Another band is called: "Rubber Soul" as that is the name of a beatles album, surely that is a grey area. Also, Korean TV has a show called: "Beatles code"'. The also use the style the Beatles wrote their name as the logo. I can't believe they are paying royalties for that. |
I wouldn't be so sure. The Beatles' estate is huge and incredibly protective of their stuff. If whoever produces the Wondergirls actually managed to track down whoever owned the rights to Stacy Q, then I can't see them skipping out on The freaking Beatles. Though I wouldn't necessarily put it past them either. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| If whoever produces the Wondergirls actually managed to track down whoever owned the rights to Stacy Q, then I can't see them skipping out on The freaking Beatles. Though I wouldn't necessarily put it past them either. |
JYP's (Park Jin-Young) company manages them, and he spent a few years in the US learning about producing, and acquiring rights to use songs. And if you do some research into that Wonder Girls song, they do credit Stacy Q, and therefore probably paid for the right to 'rip-off' the song. |
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