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Underwaterbob
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| And if you do some research into that Wonder Girls song, they do credit Stacy Q, and therefore probably paid for the right to 'rip-off' the song. |
They did pay for the rights. That's why I used it as an example to support the notion that the people potentially ripping off the Beatles' name probably paid the Beatles' estate to use it. The idea of ticking off the Beatles' lawyers is significantly more scary than ticking off Stacy Q's. Though, like you mentioned, JYP did spend time in the states and is probably more aware of international copyright law than your average MBC producer. |
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World Traveler
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Mix1
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It's a culture of copying. K-pop is just a blatant example of it.
The whole "genre" is essentially based on ripping off American pop songs and fashion styles, and re-packaging it under a slightly different brand image.
While there may be some examples where they had to pay to use the song idea or samples, it is still copying. And there has to be thousands more where they paid nothing or just changed one note and passed it off as an original.
Even though most modern pop is "borrowed" to some degree, and you can find some examples of copying in other countries, it's definitely not to the same degree as here. The "same-same" argument is weak.
Also, if they copied... but put out a decent product, that would be one thing, but they tend to take the most annoying parts of American pop, strip out any good parts, and then press the "shrill/annoy" button for 3 minutes. Rap/Hip-hop is based on sampling and copying too, but at least you have to produce a decent result.
Copied and sonically annoying = double whammy. |
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jvalmer
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| Every dance move in music, since the mid-80's, is a derivative of James Brown, Elvis, Chuck Berry, and M Jackson. I'd have to say mostly Michael though, his moves were sublime. |
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Mix1
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Yeah, Korean pop is far from the only guilty party in the sampling/copying game. |
But it must rank near the top of the guilt list, if not the #1 contender. The "same-same" argument won't stick here. Happens with many other products here too; it's a pattern.
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| The OP is a dedicated Korea flamer whose hatred of all things Korean clouds his judgement. |
Nice try. Hatred of K-pop is definitely not clouded judgement.
One could have no opinion on Korea at all and still detest the music. |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
| Yaya wrote: |
Yeah, Korean pop is far from the only guilty party in the sampling/copying game. |
But it must rank near the top of the guilt list, if not the #1 contender. The "same-same" argument won't stick here. Happens with many other products here too; it's a pattern. |
I don't see any evidence for this. Pop music has been nothing but a series of "rip-offs" of itself since its beginnings. Korea doesn't seem any more or less guilty than any other country with an abundance of pop stars. |
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mr_thehorse
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| Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
| Yaya wrote: |
Yeah, Korean pop is far from the only guilty party in the sampling/copying game. |
But it must rank near the top of the guilt list, if not the #1 contender. The "same-same" argument won't stick here. Happens with many other products here too; it's a pattern. |
I don't see any evidence for this. Pop music has been nothing but a series of "rip-offs" of itself since its beginnings. Korea doesn't seem any more or less guilty than any other country with an abundance of pop stars. |
underwaterbob. you are wrong. mix underlined his statement. so it is true. |
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Chaparrastique
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| Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| For example?? |
I don't know the exact names of the bands and songs involved because I haven't bothered to ask the gym owner for a full playlist of all the random pop CD's he plays.
About one out of every three songs has either chords, harmony, rapping, tunes, sound-bites or melodies that are recognizably similar or identical to western songs from up to 20, 30 years ago.
I'm assuming that the original recording artists know about these copies and gave permission or sampling rights. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
| but they tend to take the most annoying parts of American pop, strip out any good parts, and then press the "shrill/annoy" button for 3 minutes. |
Care to give a technical explanation of this with examples? What parts are you talking about?
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| The whole "genre" is essentially based on ripping off American pop songs and fashion styles, and re-packaging it under a slightly different brand image. |
I'd disagree with this as of now. There is a distinct aesthetic and style to Kpop these days that is not a follow of the US.
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| It's a culture of copying. K-pop is just a blatant example of it. |
Thankfully, n the last 100 years of music, mainstream Western culture in no way has ripped off or outright stolen the music of any formerly enslaved and discriminated people to produce most major genres of music today. |
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edwardcatflap
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I'd disagree with this as of now. There is a distinct aesthetic and style to Kpop these days that is not a follow of the US.
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| As for contemporary KPop, I have no idea. I don't listen to it much. |
Now you're pretending to be an expert on something you actually admit you have no idea about  |
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Who's Your Daddy?
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| Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I think Kpop is harder to avoid hearing than pop in western countries so that's partly why it is so annoying. Its like Celine Dion when Titanic was made. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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I'd disagree with this as of now. There is a distinct aesthetic and style to Kpop these days that is not a follow of the US.
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| As for contemporary KPop, I have no idea. I don't listen to it much. |
Now you're pretending to be an expert on something you actually admit you have no idea about |
I was referring to the visual elements and fashion style. The MVs you see on the TVs in bars and the photo spreads you see in newspapers and the like. The other comment was about its musical qualities.
Nice try at a "gotcha" moment. |
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edwardcatflap
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I was referring to the visual elements and fashion style. The MVs you see on the TVs in bars and the photo spreads you see in newspapers and the like. The other comment was about its musical qualities.
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Oh I see, so your expertise only runs to teeny bop fashion. Not the actual music. I think you'll find Mix was talking about both. I'm pretty impressed that you've watched enough videos/stared at enough photo spreads to form an opinion on the topic. Maybe you can highlight some of the differences for us. Do the boys wear their baseball caps at a slightly different angle, for example? |
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SHGator428
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| Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow, the resident expert on nearly every topic that has been posted went from not knowing enough about the topic due to not listening to Kpop all of the sudden became an expert within days. Amazing. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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I was referring to the visual elements and fashion style. The MVs you see on the TVs in bars and the photo spreads you see in newspapers and the like. The other comment was about its musical qualities.
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Oh I see, so your expertise only runs to teeny bop fashion. Not the actual music. I think you'll find Mix was talking about both. I'm pretty impressed that you've watched enough videos/stared at enough photo spreads to form an opinion on the topic. Maybe you can highlight some of the differences for us. Do the boys wear their baseball caps at a slightly different angle, for example? |
You don't have to be a Kpop expert to know who GDragon is and that his style is not something you'd find back home in a mainstream pop star or that 5 girls dressed as kittens or some crap like that would be standard back home. |
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