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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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 Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Austrailians Arrested for Spraypainting Subway Cars |
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“And we discovered that most of them are from Australia or Canada based on the style of graffiti paintings.”
Is the style really that distinct to be able to identify them as from Australia or Canada? |
I'm from the southeastern USA, and the graffiti in the picture is too bubble gum to be from my neck of the woods. The Latin and black gangs do a pretty good job of making their graffiti look intimidating, even when it's done with artistic talent. |
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jazzmaster
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
Why? It's not as barbaric as execution but it's still a barbaric practice. Why not bring back tattooing of offenders, too? |
But Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, so whatever they're doing seems to be working. |
Yea, you might be safe from petty crime; it's the police you've got to worry about.
But freedom's just another word, right? |
Is there a high rate of police brutality in Singapore? Why should I worry about the police? |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
Why? It's not as barbaric as execution but it's still a barbaric practice. Why not bring back tattooing of offenders, too? |
But Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, so whatever they're doing seems to be working. |
Yea, you might be safe from petty crime; it's the police you've got to worry about.
But freedom's just another word, right? |
Is there a high rate of police brutality in Singapore? Why should I worry about the police? |
http://www.engagemedia.org/Members/emnews/videos/he-jun-ling-alleged-victim-of-police-brutality-in-singapore/view
There are more reports like this one. |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
Why? It's not as barbaric as execution but it's still a barbaric practice. Why not bring back tattooing of offenders, too? |
But Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, so whatever they're doing seems to be working. |
Yea, you might be safe from petty crime; it's the police you've got to worry about.
But freedom's just another word, right? |
Is there a high rate of police brutality in Singapore? Why should I worry about the police? |
http://www.engagemedia.org/Members/emnews/videos/he-jun-ling-alleged-victim-of-police-brutality-in-singapore/view
There are more reports like this one. |
I could find reports similar to that for any country. Do you have any stats to back up what you're saying? |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
Why? It's not as barbaric as execution but it's still a barbaric practice. Why not bring back tattooing of offenders, too? |
But Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, so whatever they're doing seems to be working. |
Yea, you might be safe from petty crime; it's the police you've got to worry about.
But freedom's just another word, right? |
Is there a high rate of police brutality in Singapore? Why should I worry about the police? |
http://www.engagemedia.org/Members/emnews/videos/he-jun-ling-alleged-victim-of-police-brutality-in-singapore/view
There are more reports like this one. |
I could find reports similar to that for any country. Do you have any stats to back up what you're saying? |
Any country? That's a mighty bold statement. |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
Why? It's not as barbaric as execution but it's still a barbaric practice. Why not bring back tattooing of offenders, too? |
But Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, so whatever they're doing seems to be working. |
Yea, you might be safe from petty crime; it's the police you've got to worry about.
But freedom's just another word, right? |
Is there a high rate of police brutality in Singapore? Why should I worry about the police? |
http://www.engagemedia.org/Members/emnews/videos/he-jun-ling-alleged-victim-of-police-brutality-in-singapore/view
There are more reports like this one. |
I could find reports similar to that for any country. Do you have any stats to back up what you're saying? |
Any country? That's a mighty bold statement. |
So do you have any actual statistics? Because google is full of statistics showing Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, which to most people would show that Singapore's approach to crime seems to be working better than most. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
Why? It's not as barbaric as execution but it's still a barbaric practice. Why not bring back tattooing of offenders, too? |
But Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, so whatever they're doing seems to be working. |
Yea, you might be safe from petty crime; it's the police you've got to worry about.
But freedom's just another word, right? |
Is there a high rate of police brutality in Singapore? Why should I worry about the police? |
http://www.engagemedia.org/Members/emnews/videos/he-jun-ling-alleged-victim-of-police-brutality-in-singapore/view
There are more reports like this one. |
I could find reports similar to that for any country. Do you have any stats to back up what you're saying? |
Any country? That's a mighty bold statement. |
So do you have any actual statistics? Because google is full of statistics showing Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, which to most people would show that Singapore's approach to crime seems to be working better than most. |
I'd say the guy in the video isn't a born-n-breed Singaporean. Probably an immigrant, or more likely a laborer on a working visa. Singapore police treat non-Singaporean 3rd-world workers pretty bad. But that is pretty true for most police forces. If you're Singaporean, or a tourist, as long as you don't commit a crime, the police won't touch you.
Anyways, I'd rather be stopped by a Singaporean cop for running a stop sign than an American cop. |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
Why? It's not as barbaric as execution but it's still a barbaric practice. Why not bring back tattooing of offenders, too? |
But Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, so whatever they're doing seems to be working. |
Yea, you might be safe from petty crime; it's the police you've got to worry about.
But freedom's just another word, right? |
Is there a high rate of police brutality in Singapore? Why should I worry about the police? |
http://www.engagemedia.org/Members/emnews/videos/he-jun-ling-alleged-victim-of-police-brutality-in-singapore/view
There are more reports like this one. |
I could find reports similar to that for any country. Do you have any stats to back up what you're saying? |
Any country? That's a mighty bold statement. |
So do you have any actual statistics? Because google is full of statistics showing Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, which to most people would show that Singapore's approach to crime seems to be working better than most. |
I'd say the guy in the video isn't a born-n-breed Singaporean. Probably an immigrant, or more likely a laborer on a working visa. Singapore police treat non-Singaporean 3rd-world workers pretty bad. But that is pretty true for most police forces. If you're Singaporean, or a tourist, as long as you don't commit a crime, the police won't touch you.
Anyways, I'd rather be stopped by a Singaporean cop for running a stop sign than an American cop. |
I in no way, shape, or form condone police brutality. It should never be excused or accepted in any country.
Right now can prove Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, so that would indicate to me that their approach to crime seems to be working more effectively than most other countries.
I'm interested to see if anyone can show that police brutality is more of a problem in Singapore in order to show why I should be more worried about the police in Singapore than any other country. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
Why? It's not as barbaric as execution but it's still a barbaric practice. Why not bring back tattooing of offenders, too? |
But Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, so whatever they're doing seems to be working. |
Yea, you might be safe from petty crime; it's the police you've got to worry about.
But freedom's just another word, right? |
Is there a high rate of police brutality in Singapore? Why should I worry about the police? |
http://www.engagemedia.org/Members/emnews/videos/he-jun-ling-alleged-victim-of-police-brutality-in-singapore/view
There are more reports like this one. |
I could find reports similar to that for any country. Do you have any stats to back up what you're saying? |
Any country? That's a mighty bold statement. |
So do you have any actual statistics? Because google is full of statistics showing Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, which to most people would show that Singapore's approach to crime seems to be working better than most. |
So you're all for a police state? Because statistics are what matter, right? Is that you, Rudy Guliani?
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| In 2014, Singapore was ranked 150th out of 175 nations by Reporters Without Borders in the Worldwide Press Freedom Index. Freedom in the World 2014 scored Singapore 4 out of 7 for political freedom, and 4 out of 7 for civil liberties (where 1 is the most free), with an overall ranking of "partly free". |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
Why? It's not as barbaric as execution but it's still a barbaric practice. Why not bring back tattooing of offenders, too? |
But Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, so whatever they're doing seems to be working. |
Yea, you might be safe from petty crime; it's the police you've got to worry about.
But freedom's just another word, right? |
Is there a high rate of police brutality in Singapore? Why should I worry about the police? |
http://www.engagemedia.org/Members/emnews/videos/he-jun-ling-alleged-victim-of-police-brutality-in-singapore/view
There are more reports like this one. |
I could find reports similar to that for any country. Do you have any stats to back up what you're saying? |
Any country? That's a mighty bold statement. |
So do you have any actual statistics? Because google is full of statistics showing Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, which to most people would show that Singapore's approach to crime seems to be working better than most. |
So you're all for a police state? Because statistics are what matter, right? Is that you, Rudy Guliani?
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| In 2014, Singapore was ranked 150th out of 175 nations by Reporters Without Borders in the Worldwide Press Freedom Index. Freedom in the World 2014 scored Singapore 4 out of 7 for political freedom, and 4 out of 7 for civil liberties (where 1 is the most free), with an overall ranking of "partly free". |
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Not quite.
I'm for countries having the freedom to punish people however they see fit. I find your talk of freedom hypocritical due to the fact that you seem to want everyone to think the way you do. I fail to see how Singapore's ranking regarding political freedom, and hyperbolic statements about "you're all for a police state" show that caning as a punishment results in a lower crime rate.
This doesn't mean I approve of everything that the authorities do in Singapore, only that I feel caning when used in a proper way may result in a lower crime rate.
I also note that you have not shown any real data that the police are any more corrupt or brutal than any other country. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
Why? It's not as barbaric as execution but it's still a barbaric practice. Why not bring back tattooing of offenders, too? |
But Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, so whatever they're doing seems to be working. |
Yea, you might be safe from petty crime; it's the police you've got to worry about.
But freedom's just another word, right? |
Is there a high rate of police brutality in Singapore? Why should I worry about the police? |
http://www.engagemedia.org/Members/emnews/videos/he-jun-ling-alleged-victim-of-police-brutality-in-singapore/view
There are more reports like this one. |
I could find reports similar to that for any country. Do you have any stats to back up what you're saying? |
Any country? That's a mighty bold statement. |
So do you have any actual statistics? Because google is full of statistics showing Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, which to most people would show that Singapore's approach to crime seems to be working better than most. |
So you're all for a police state? Because statistics are what matter, right? Is that you, Rudy Guliani?
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| In 2014, Singapore was ranked 150th out of 175 nations by Reporters Without Borders in the Worldwide Press Freedom Index. Freedom in the World 2014 scored Singapore 4 out of 7 for political freedom, and 4 out of 7 for civil liberties (where 1 is the most free), with an overall ranking of "partly free". |
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Not quite.
I'm for countries having the freedom to punish people however they see fit. I find your talk of freedom hypocritical due to the fact that you seem to want everyone to think the way you do. I fail to see how Singapore's ranking regarding political freedom, and hyperbolic statements about "you're all for a police state" show that caning as a punishment results in a lower crime rate.
This doesn't mean I approve of everything that the authorities do in Singapore, only that I feel caning when used in a proper way may result in a lower crime rate.
I also note that you have not shown any real data that the police are any more corrupt or brutal than any other country. |
If caning doesn't lead to a lower crime rate, what is its purpose?
I don't need to hide behind any stinkin' data or comparisons to other countries.
As for me wanting everyone to think the way I do, you're way off base. I would merely like others to think. |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
Why? It's not as barbaric as execution but it's still a barbaric practice. Why not bring back tattooing of offenders, too? |
But Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, so whatever they're doing seems to be working. |
Yea, you might be safe from petty crime; it's the police you've got to worry about.
But freedom's just another word, right? |
Is there a high rate of police brutality in Singapore? Why should I worry about the police? |
http://www.engagemedia.org/Members/emnews/videos/he-jun-ling-alleged-victim-of-police-brutality-in-singapore/view
There are more reports like this one. |
I could find reports similar to that for any country. Do you have any stats to back up what you're saying? |
Any country? That's a mighty bold statement. |
So do you have any actual statistics? Because google is full of statistics showing Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, which to most people would show that Singapore's approach to crime seems to be working better than most. |
So you're all for a police state? Because statistics are what matter, right? Is that you, Rudy Guliani?
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| In 2014, Singapore was ranked 150th out of 175 nations by Reporters Without Borders in the Worldwide Press Freedom Index. Freedom in the World 2014 scored Singapore 4 out of 7 for political freedom, and 4 out of 7 for civil liberties (where 1 is the most free), with an overall ranking of "partly free". |
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Not quite.
I'm for countries having the freedom to punish people however they see fit. I find your talk of freedom hypocritical due to the fact that you seem to want everyone to think the way you do. I fail to see how Singapore's ranking regarding political freedom, and hyperbolic statements about "you're all for a police state" show that caning as a punishment results in a lower crime rate.
This doesn't mean I approve of everything that the authorities do in Singapore, only that I feel caning when used in a proper way may result in a lower crime rate.
I also note that you have not shown any real data that the police are any more corrupt or brutal than any other country. |
If caning doesn't lead to a lower crime rate, what is its purpose?
I don't need to hide behind any stinkin' data or comparisons to other countries.
As for me wanting everyone to think the way I do, you're way off base. I would merely like others to think. |
That was a mistake. The data would suggest that caning does result in a lower crime rate.
Data is not "stinkin'". To suggest so shows you have nothing to back up your opinions. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Caning may reduce crime, but so does martial law with shoplifters being shot. That doesnt mean we should have martial law. If Singapore wants to do it, fine. They may well have good reasons for stern justice. But I would not be in favor of it back home. |
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jazzmaster
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Caning may reduce crime, but so does martial law with shoplifters being shot. That doesnt mean we should have martial law. If Singapore wants to do it, fine. They may well have good reasons for stern justice. But I would not be in favor of it back home. |
Caning and martial law are totally different things. Your claim is ludicrous. At no time have I mentioned martial law. It seems you have no real reason to dislike caning apart from your cultural upbringing. Here's an example of how stupid your comment is:
Prison/a stern talking to/an ankle braclet may reduce crime, but so does martial law with shoplifters being shot. That doesnt mean we should have martial law. If Singapore wants to do it, fine. They may well have good reasons for stern justice. But I would not be in favor of it back home.
It's sad that neither you nor atwood seem able to actually argue the point without dragging in untruths about Singapore police corruption, chest beating about "freedom", and stupid comparisons with martial law.
All I see are a couple of Westerners who think they know better than everyone else, but in reality are only conveying what their society has taught them to think, while being unable to back up their opinions with actual data.
So again I say - the data would suggest that caning does result in a lower crime rate. This doesn't mean I approve of everything that the authorities do in Singapore, only that I feel caning when used in a proper way may result in a lower crime rate. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
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| Caning may reduce crime, but so does martial law with shoplifters being shot. That doesnt mean we should have martial law. If Singapore wants to do it, fine. They may well have good reasons for stern justice. But I would not be in favor of it back home. |
It seems you have no real reason to dislike caning apart from your cultural upbringing.
All I see are a couple of Westerners who think they know better than everyone else, but in reality are only conveying what their society has taught them to think, while being unable to back up their opinions with actual data.
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I said I would not be in favor of it back home. I don't think I know better than them. That's why I said this-
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| If Singapore wants to do it, fine. They may well have good reasons for stern justice. |
As long as the consequences for breaking the law are known beforehand and are evenly applied, then no problem with caning in Singapore. As for back home, I'd favor a more rehabilitative or making direct reparations through labor than a punitive approach for such crimes as graffiti.
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| So again I say - the data would suggest that caning does result in a lower crime rate. |
There are a lot of factors to control for before one can safely say that caning results in a lower crime rate. |
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