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Weigookin74
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 Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Why Can't Korea be More Like Singapore |
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| atwood wrote: |
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| FDNY wrote: |
| Come on Koreans. Get some pride! |
First off, I wish they'd learn how to think. How to use their own mind, independently.
This country bears the hallmark of a people who have only had one viewpoint and one way pumped into them since time immemorial. And if anyone had an alternative idea, they got beaten into submission.
I have a lot of optimism for the new generation.
But people over 45 years of age drive me insane. They usually are racist, don't have intellectual curiosity, don't read books, don't have values, manners, are afraid of different ideas, different people. They really are the most pitifully small minded simpletons. Their smugness is the arrogance of ignorance. |
Can you explain why? |
One could argue the same for those under 30. No intellectual curiosity where drinking beer and living in run down one rooms seems the order of the day. But, then I'd be steriotyping. So, I won't make that arguement. But, I've met many a young un with whom I couldn't hold an intelligent conversation with. (Not saying that's all of you by the way.) |
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Sister Ray
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Location: Fukuoka
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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Why would you choose Singapore as a country to emulate?
Anyway, Korea and Singapore have at least one thing in common. An intolerance for free speech, particularly when directed towards Presidents.
Singapore: 16 YO charged for insulting Lee Kuan Yew
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32115052
Korea: Japanese journalist on trial for libel against Park Geun Hye.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30222715
Both countries need far greater respect for basic freedoms. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Sister Ray wrote: |
Why would you choose Singapore as a country to emulate?
Anyway, Korea and Singapore have at least one thing in common. An intolerance for free speech, particularly when directed towards Presidents.
Singapore: 16 YO charged for insulting Lee Kuan Yew
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32115052
Korea: Japanese journalist on trial for libel against Park Geun Hye.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30222715
Both countries need far greater respect for basic freedoms. |
Good point, and another thing both countries share is an incredible lack of creativity. They can follow and copy but can they blaze a trail? Highly unlikely. |
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Koharski
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, back on topic or this will be locked as well.
Koharski |
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Yaya
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Location: Seoul
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
Location: In between the lines
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd prefer Korea avoided cracking down on petty things; it's nice that the police mostly leave people alone here. |
Indeed.
Police in Korea do not give notice to those simply drinking a beer out in front of the local quick stop.
In the U.S....BAM!!!!! ...here is a ticket for you. |
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Brooks
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Lee reminds me of a godfather in a Hong Kong triad without the violence,
but with threats and intimidation.
Korea at least has a civil society, and even people know there are more important things than money.
That honor means more than accepting a bribe.
Deng Xiaoping both saw Korea and Singapore as models. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Brooks wrote: |
Lee reminds me of a godfather in a Hong Kong triad without the violence,
but with threats and intimidation.
Korea at least has a civil society, and even people know there are more important things than money.
That honor means more than accepting a bribe.
Deng Xiaoping both saw Korea and Singapore as models. |
I'm sort of wondering whether Singaporeans will growingly embrace a more open society open to freedom of expression.
Plus many say Lee Kuan Yew was overrated and that his approach worked for a city-state but would not for a larger country.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/03/29/despite-lee-kuan-yew-singapore-isnt-as-rich-as-you-might-think/ |
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cj1976
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Brooks wrote: |
Korea at least has a civil society, and even people know there are more important things than money.
That honor means more than accepting a bribe.
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I'm not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying Korea is more civilised than Singapore and there is no bribery here? |
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Brooks
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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Yes it happens.
But, in Korea there are elections, more democracy than Singapore.
People demonstrate and protest.
Press freedom is low in Singapore. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Brooks wrote: |
Yes it happens.
But, in Korea there are elections, more democracy than Singapore.
People demonstrate and protest.
Press freedom is low in Singapore. |
Press freedom is quite low here too, maybe not as much as Singapore, but definitely by western standards. Singapore is democratic too - they have regular elections that the PAP always win simply because they get the votes.
The people of Singapore wholeheartedly support them. It's not like Zimbabwe over there.
I've had lengthy discussions with Singaporeans about this. They know that freedom of speech is very restricted, but they think it is a fair trade-off for living in a prosperous and well-maintained state. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:55 am Post subject: |
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Singapore is democratic too - they have regular elections that the PAP always win simply because they get the votes.
The people of Singapore wholeheartedly support them. It's not like Zimbabwe over there. |
I wonder how accepting the PAP would be of a loss. I can imagine... ehem... not accepting it, and reworking they system which guarantees them a win. Of course you'd need a very unhappy population before that happens. |
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Yaya
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| Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| cj1976 wrote: |
Singapore is democratic too - they have regular elections that the PAP always win simply because they get the votes.
The people of Singapore wholeheartedly support them. It's not like Zimbabwe over there. |
I wonder how accepting the PAP would be of a loss. I can imagine... ehem... not accepting it, and reworking they system which guarantees them a win. Of course you'd need a very unhappy population before that happens. |
Surprisingly, Singapore has a weak social welfare system given the emphasis there on hard work and individual responsibility. There is a worsening gap between the haves and have nots, and I remember one poster who was considering moving back to Korea from Singapore saying the latter is becoming a huge gated community for the rich.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/concerns-grow-over-singapore-pension-system-after-weekend-protests-1402319551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESCk7pmuR4k |
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