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postfundie
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| it's ok, if you don't have the right paperwork, the government of any country has the right to treat you like crap..... |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| Korea immigration doesn't think much of Koreans who are draft dodgers so why should they welcome this guy for doing the same thing. |
"The man arrived at Incheon international airport in November 2013. His home country was in the middle of a civil war. Rejecting a notice to enlist in the military, he escaped to Korea."
Which side was the side that asked him to enlist? The "wrong" side could have been the one that told him to enlist and who wants to fight for something they don't believe in?
The comments on that article are strange though. The person just translated a few negative comments to paint Koreans in a bad light. I'm sure there were a lot of heart felt comments on that article as well. |
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Stan Rogers
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:33 am Post subject: |
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The chicken burger meal plan seems like a ploy to push him into abandoning his attempt to gain refugee status.
Here in Canada, refugees stream quickly in, faster than spousal permanent resident sponsorships. Refugees here get well kept, well maintained free apartments with all necessary furnishings, which I have seen with my own eyes to be leaps and bounds better in comparison to hagwon type apartment offerings in Korea as well as the average western commercial apartment rentals. They also get 600$/month per family member and a one time settling allowance of 1200$.
Then they get free ESL classes, job prep programs , dental care and healthcare.
My wife attends the local government sponsored ESL class and it is made up of 90% refugees, while we have been paying tuition of 400$/month. Because we came to Canada in an emergency, (much like refugees) we had to apply for permanent residence inland, so her visa papers are in a 27 month wait list, so she has no healthcare or the permission to work. We only have another 15 months to wait! |
That's a sweet deal. If a war breaks out in Korea I'm going back to Canada and applying for refugee status. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Lol at the comments - because...... From the English level it sounds exactly like the same person doing every comment... |
Pretty sure it's on auto-translate or something. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| That's a sweet deal. If a war breaks out in Korea I'm going back to Canada and applying for refugee status. |
One of the refugees in my wife's class has even received a free sex change operation. Canada has gone to shit and I completely understand SOME of the comments aimed at this airport dude. |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| nicwr2002 wrote: |
| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| Korea immigration doesn't think much of Koreans who are draft dodgers so why should they welcome this guy for doing the same thing. |
"The man arrived at Incheon international airport in November 2013. His home country was in the middle of a civil war. Rejecting a notice to enlist in the military, he escaped to Korea."
Which side was the side that asked him to enlist? The "wrong" side could have been the one that told him to enlist and who wants to fight for something they don't believe in?
The comments on that article are strange though. The person just translated a few negative comments to paint Koreans in a bad light. I'm sure there were a lot of heart felt comments on that article as well. |
I don't think anybody here can criticise Koreans too much on the refugee issue. The East Asians like Korea and Japan are regularly criticised by the UN and western countries for not taking in far more refugees but western countries have done so since the 1980s under an outdated UN Convention and there are significant problems.
Those problems don't all revolve around racist people in the host countries in Europe, the UK, Australia, Canada and NZ. The UN Convention needs to be re-written as it was intended post WW2 to re-settle the countless people displaced by the ravages of the Nazis - and in effect also ravaged by the Soviet Union too.
Problem is western countries did not sign up to the Convention to facilitate mass immigration from 3rd World or developing countries. It was never intended to facilitate 'asylum seekers' from Muslim countries, for example, who could not obtain a visa based on work and other skills. The problem with mass asylum seeking generally is that many of those people did not and still do not have the skills or good attitude to succeed or achieve independence and integration in western countries.
In Europe and the UK the whole 'refugee' issue became a joke that turned sour very quickly. Those who didn't qualify for a visa under other circumstances became asylum seekers, brought in big extended families and depended almost wholly on the host nation to fund housing, monetary payments etc etc. Many still do. When members of the host nation have to struggle along with housing while asylum seekers and refugees get fast tracked into housing and access to services in London, why shouldn't we expect the host nation's people to question this?
I don't doubt this African man has had a tough time. Anybody who turns up in Korea or Japan to seek asylum and then refugee status is clearly desperate given the systems are not set up to accommodate such people unlike in the west where the systems are being rorted by a significant number.
And yes, I can understand Koreans not sympathising with anybody who refused to do military service. It sucks to be required to do so under a regime that you are afraid of or hate but let's have some historical perspective here. When North Korea invaded South Korea. the grandparents and great grandparents etc of current Koreans were conscripted into the NK Army. This is what happens in wartime.
I taught a student whose uncle was a skilled train driver and he was made to drive a train from the south to the north during the Korean War. He was never heard from again when peace came. In the UK there are a number of Hazaras who are more related to Mongolians than other Afghanis but I must admit to questioning why there are so many male Hazaras of conscription age who are hanging around the UK, Australia and Canada while Brits and Ozzie males died fighting the Taliban.
I don't think those kind of people should be deserting their countries/regions while they are of sufficient age to fight against the Taliban and Al Quaida there.
If the Hazaras put militias together instead of spending their energies entering Europe and the UK as well arriving on boats to Australia before the current govt stopped unauthorised arrivals then other people would not have had to die for them and maybe Afghanistan's levels of govt would have to actually be productive instead of getting foreign money and benefiting from foreign blood being shed because their own men won't fight.
Again - when the benefits are on offer in western countries, what incentive is there to stay in your own and take some responsibliity? Not all of these people arrive without authorisation - the UN facilitates the mass movement of such people as well as Africans and Middle Easterners etc as refugees but again, let's deal with the 21 century here.
Those countries get massive aid regardless of how well it is spent. The whole foreign aid scams will keep going on if there is no accountability. After WW2 Europe was largely in rubble and the Soviet Union's cruelty created whole new classes of refugees. In the 21st century under the guise of the UN Convention, the mass movement of from the 3rd and developing world countries is eroding those countries' ability to improve themselves.
As long as this happens, there will be no solution to the problems in Middle Eastern countries and African countries for contrary to certain ideological thinking, those problems are also deeply rooted in long standing tribal and religious conflicts as well as more modern ones involving western countries. Dictators in the ME and Africa will keep doing the same as long as the west keeps sending money and taking their people. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| How can you survive off of a Chicken burger three times a day? Maybe the tomato slice and lettuce and mayo in addition to the meat and vitamins in the bun are enough. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Interesting ploy by immigration. We will feed you chicken burgers until you leave. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, if the army they are fighting for is corrupt or incompetent and serves as the strong arm of a repressive regime that might be brutalizing ethnic minorities, I can understand being leery about joining. Not wanting to mow down a village of women and children because they speak a different language is a pretty legitimate reason for not joining an army. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| Interesting ploy by immigration. We will feed you chicken burgers until you leave. |
But what if that's better than what they were eating back home? |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| Interesting ploy by immigration. We will feed you chicken burgers until you leave. |
But what if that's better than what they were eating back home? |
That is quite possible. It could also be that he really likes chicken. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:13 am Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| Interesting ploy by immigration. We will feed you chicken burgers until you leave. |
But what if that's better than what they were eating back home? |
That is quite possible. It could also be that he really likes chicken. |
Everybody likes chicken.  |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| Meat, bread and Soft Drinks will not keep you alive. He ate something else, otherwise bad things start to happen, you're teeth fall out etc. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| That's a sweet deal. If a war breaks out in Korea I'm going back to Canada and applying for refugee status. |
One of the refugees in my wife's class has even received a free sex change operation. Canada has gone to shit and I completely understand SOME of the comments aimed at this airport dude. |
Because the Canadian government cares more about new immigrants than it's existing people. And then there's also the affirmative action programs that mainly benefit immigrants. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:17 am Post subject: Re: Refugee Spent 6 Months Living in Incheon Airport |
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| saram_ wrote: |
http://www.koreabang.com/?p=21876
A 20-something African man spent nearly 6 months living in a waiting area in Incheon Airport. At the end of the legal process, he has become a “free body.”
This is the man who ate a chicken burger and cola for three meals every day..
The story continues.
The Comments section is really interesting.
What do we think about refugees from desperately harsh and tough living conditions seeking asylum elsewhere?
Is it better for a country like Korea to stop refugees coming in?
The Korean people who replied to the article have little sympathy anyway. |
Hmmm. Guy lives in an airport because he can't clear immigration and can't go back home. You could probably make a movie out of that. Who to play the lead role though? Maybe someone like, say, Tom Hanks. |
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