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Chaparrastique
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 Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:42 am Post subject: Do Koreans have a sense of personal space? |
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It seems to be zero.
Not sure I believe that. I think its because Korea is a society where individual identity has been lost to national group identity, therefore everyone feels entitled to be in everyone elses space. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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The Japanese sure do! I love the way the Japanese conduct themselves in public, in all my trips to Japan, I've never been bumped, jostled, or run into by anyone. They really go the extra mile to give you space.
ETA: Now waiting for the obligatory hate pm's in my box telling me to die painfully! |
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DaeguNL
Joined: 08 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:26 am Post subject: Re: Do Koreans have a sense of personal space? |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
It seems to be zero.
Not sure I believe that. I think its because Korea is a society where individual identity has been lost to national group identity, therefore everyone feels entitled to be in everyone elses space. |
Short answer No. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:56 am Post subject: Re: Do Koreans have a sense of personal space? |
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| DaeguNL wrote: |
Short answer No. |
It amazes me on the subway that Koreans will come and stand right next to me, breathing down my neck, their bag bumping me, their hand brushing against me- when there is plenty of space for them to stand elsewhere.
But its not just physical space, its psychic space. They will hum, talk loudly on a cellphone within centimetres of someone elses ears.
I tried the same thing once. I mean walking right into their space. Basically staring in their face centimetres away. No reaction. As if it was entirely normal.
Try that in any other country on earth and watch the reaction as the person will feel threatened.
Instinctively humans know that it becomes impossible to defend yourself against potential attack or theft when a stranger is that close to you. Its also dangerous from the point of view of catching contagious disease or germs. Why don't Koreans have this instinct?
Utterly infuriating because they don't even have the awareness to notice when they're making someone else uncomfortable. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:52 am Post subject: Re: Do Koreans have a sense of personal space? |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
It seems to be zero.
Not sure I believe that. I think its because Korea is a society where individual identity has been lost to national group identity, therefore everyone feels entitled to be in everyone elses space. |
Depends on the culture. For a Korean to feel threatened, you basically have to be on top of them. |
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yodanole
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: La Florida
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| At one point, South Korea was the most densely populated real estate entity on the planet. I'm postulating that could have influenced attitudes a bit. I do not believe that is the complete explanation. I do know that different is neither always better nor worse. The purpose of these type of troll postings is to insinuate, if not state outright, that Korea is at fault for being different. It is said that great minds think alike. Unfortunately, limited minds often do so as well. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| A lot of it is pure laziness IMO. They are just not going to move any further than is absolutely necessary and often not that much since they seem to expect others to move for them. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| A lot of it is pure laziness IMO. They are just not going to move any further than is absolutely necessary and often not that much since they seem to expect others to move for them. |
This happens when many get on the train. They board... and stop! Regardless of whether someone is behind them trying to get on.
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| yodanole wrote: |
| It is said that great minds think alike. Unfortunately, limited minds often do so as well. |
I insulted nobody. Although apparently you just insulted everyone who's not ok with being jostled and shoved.
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| At one point, South Korea was the most densely populated real estate entity on the planet. |
So was japan and many other places, yet they don't crowd and jostle like Koreans do. All the major cities of the west are also densely populated. But people find a way to walk around eachother.
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| I do know that different is neither always better nor worse. |
Next time some ajosshi breathes rancid garlic breath down your neck while bumping you with his suitcase and placing his hand over yours on the handrail, while bellowing on his cell phone one centimetre from your ear, I don't think you'll smile to yourself and say "Oh he's just being different. ".
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| at fault for being different |
Its a fault when everyone else on the planet finds your behaviour to be obnoxious. |
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jcd
Joined: 13 Mar 2012
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Seoul incheon has the highest population density over the largest area.
It can't be comfortable for them. People flock to go hiking and to the countryside. They should make the value of apartments and houses reflect space; or some kind of scheme that makes sense. If the apartment buildings didn't box so many people in one space the would have much more.
Or maybe they prefer it like it is.
http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/largest-cities-density-125.html |
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yodanole
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: La Florida
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| Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:57 am Post subject: |
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Chaparrastique, there is a noticeably common theme to your posts.
Korea is hardly the only place where personal space is less important than in Western lands. I'm also thinking that you are blanking out some of the behaviors common in crowded Western cities.
I get jostled. I get over it. I like garlic.
Whining, OTOH gets on my nerves.
Insulting is not the same as offensive. |
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yodanole
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Location: La Florida
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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its funny because when I get on the bus (here on vacay) women feel entitled to occupy seats next to them with bags until someone has to tell them they'd like to sit down  |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| ThingsComeAround wrote: |
| its funny because when I get on the bus (here on vacay) women feel entitled to occupy seats next to them with bags until someone has to tell them they'd like to sit down |
If you were a woman here and had to deal with your average ajussi's behavior, you'd probably do the same. |
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Bongotruck
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
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| Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Nobody is denying that it is crowded here but a lot of the behavior makes it worse.
I had some lady lay her umbrella across my lap. No words were spoken or anything. I was about to get up anyways so I said nothing. When I stood up, her umbrella skipped across the ground. I said nothing. |
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