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Biba100



Joined: 16 Apr 2015

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:07 pm    Post subject: Should I Even Try This? Reply with quote

Ok. I've been interested in teaching abroad for a while now, but I'm not really sure if I should go through with it. As far as getting hired is concerned, I already have 2 strikes against me. I'm a black woman, and I already know that the esl business favors single, white, blonde females. And I've lurked these forums for a couple years and the horror stories freak me out. So, should I even try?
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pmwhittier



Joined: 03 Nov 2011
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm older (over 35), balding, large, bearded and have visible tattoos. I teach kindy/elementary and most (if not all) the parents approve of me, as this is my second year at my current school and have retained 99% of my students.

So I have 5 strikes against me and I have made it OK. It's up to you.
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Underwaterbob



Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say go for it! The female part of your profile is more arguably slightly more important these days than white and attractive. The former will get you a job, the latter a great job if one leverages it.

Just keep in mind, I've been in the same small (220'000 people is small here) Korean town for the past ten years. There's been at least one black woman kicking around that entire time, sometimes even more than one. Hilariously enough, each and every one of them was told that they were the first black woman in town. If that sounds too annoying, stay away.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I met at least a dozen black women teaching public school during my time in Gangwondo. Most were well-liked by their schools & students & many of them renewed their contracts.
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thrylos



Joined: 10 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't let the rumors/Negative Nellies deter you. If you can accept some 'stereotyping' and some sideway glances (they're not uncommon for any 'foreigner', even the 'Golidlockses'), apply away! Good luck!
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Biba100



Joined: 16 Apr 2015

PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for all the reassurance. I know that quite a few black women who've had success (this is mostly from youtube). And I know that esl isn't perfect, but I've seen so many posts about people getting screwed and then there's this http://www.eslbase.com/advice/south-korea Sad . So that's keeping me from applying. I know those posts are old, but still, I just want to avoid any pitfalls.
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Sector7G



Joined: 24 May 2008

PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Should I Even Try This? Reply with quote

Biba100 wrote:
Ok. I've been interested in teaching abroad for a while now, but I'm not really sure if I should go through with it. As far as getting hired is concerned, I already have 2 strikes against me. I'm a black woman, and I already know that the esl business favors single, white, blonde females.
So, where is the second strike?
Biba100 wrote:
And I've lurked these forums for a couple years and the horror stories freak me out.
Many people have had great experiences teaching ESL in Korea. Which stories in particular "freak you out"?
Biba100 wrote:
Thank you for all the reassurance. I know that quite a few black women who've had success (this is mostly from youtube).
Yes, and if they can do it so can you.

Biba100 wrote:
And I know that esl isn't perfect, but I've seen so many posts about people getting screwed................... Sad . So that's keeping me from applying. ............., I just want to avoid any pitfalls.......So, should I even try?


"He who is not courageous enough to take risks will accomplish nothing in life."
Muhammad Ali

Either you decide to stay in the shallow end of the pool or you go out in the ocean.
Christopher Reeve

What would life be if we had no courage to attempt anything?
Vincent Van Gogh
I have a lot of things to prove to myself. One is that I can live my life fearlessly.
Oprah Winfrey
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GJoeM



Joined: 05 Oct 2012

PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the O/P

Korea is an ultra conformist, ultra right wing Conservative ( BIG C ) , ultra materialistic country. Do your research before you come. Think very carefully about what it means to live in a country that places such extreme emphasis on conforming, fitting in, not being different in any way, being 'one of the crowd' and not standing out.

Views on politics, religions, history, ethnicity, ideology, culture, character, lifestyle, other nations, likes and dislikes, are all seen through an ultra right wing prism.

There are exceptions -- but they are very rare.

You have to ask yourself if you can live in that climate.

You have to know -- that is what Korea is. Korea is deeply proud, to the core, of those values.
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tanklor1



Joined: 13 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked with multiple African-Americans over my years here. If an over-wight white guy like me can find a job here year after year, I'd say everyone with the right qualifications has a shot.
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Sector7G



Joined: 24 May 2008

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:27 am    Post subject: Re: Should I Even Try This? Reply with quote

Biba100 wrote:
So, should I even try?


Do. Or do not. There is no try.
Yoda


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4yd2W50No

Cool
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kabrams



Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:50 am    Post subject: Re: Should I Even Try This? Reply with quote

Biba100 wrote:
Ok. I've been interested in teaching abroad for a while now, but I'm not really sure if I should go through with it. As far as getting hired is concerned, I already have 2 strikes against me. I'm a black woman, and I already know that the esl business favors single, white, blonde females. And I've lurked these forums for a couple years and the horror stories freak me out. So, should I even try?


Being a black woman is not a strike against you. Adopting a defeatist and insecure approach is the only thing that will hold you back.

Those who care about hiring singe, white, blonde ladies will not hire you unless you have some feature (being pretty, well-qualified, etc.) that somehow balances out not being blonde and white. Those who don't care about that will hire you if you are qualified (or if you are pretty, or if they like your personality, or...) This applies to Korea and it applies to life in general.

There is a huge community on Facebook of black people in Korea. Find it and join it. 2 very popular YouTubers (Chonunmigooksaram from the US and SmilingSeoul from the UK) are black women. I'm sure you may have seen some of their videos.
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Chaparrastique



Joined: 01 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biba100 wrote:
but I've seen so many posts about people getting screwed
( . So that's keeping me from applying. , I just want to avoid any pitfalls.


Ignore the amateur motivational speakers.

You are right to be cautious.

I've known black women work and quit this country in frustration. Not because of the racism (which blacks are already used to dealing with) but because they find themselves in a society where they are not allowed self-expression. To a black westerner, self-expression means a lot. But in Korea you are not only black, you're female in a Confucian male-dominated society. You see BS going on around you but you can't be empowered in any way. Are you ready to be paid half of what the blonde bimbo next to you gets even though you're twice as good? Are you ready to have your face cut out of the school photos on the notice board?

Korea is not what it used to be only a few years ago. Jobs have become scarce and work conditions are plummeting. The market is entirely in the Korean employers favour, and workplace abuses are back on the rise. Even the best and wisest of us cannot avoid the pitfalls sometimes. Korea is a place where you are not fully in control of what happens to you or your environment, and much of what does happen is perversely unfair and illogical.


What I would suggest to you is, do not come here out of economic necessity. If you're just coming over for the sake of getting a job, don't. Stay in the US and get a job.

If you're coming with the attitude that... its an experiment.. and I can say stop and get on a plane home at any point.. then yes, give it a try.
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok we know what is wrong with you. You are black and a woman. Now what is good about you? Do you have an English degree? Are you ready paperwork wise? Are you willing to work in a less desirable place like a small town. The key is to drown out the things wrong with you with traits that are right. So when it comes down to when the choice to hire you the school will ignore the bad things.
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Sector7G



Joined: 24 May 2008

PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chaparrastique wrote:


You are right to be cautious.

If you're coming with the attitude that... its an experiment.. and I can say stop and get on a plane home at any point.. then yes, give it a try.
I agree with both of these statements, but they apply to anyone considering heading to the other side of the world to live and work for an extended period of time. Everyone should be cautious and have an exit strategy if things go south. But let's not exaggerate - we are not talking about being sent to a Russian Gulag.
Chaparrastique wrote:
I've known black women work and quit this country in frustration. Not because of the racism (which blacks are already used to dealing with) but because they find themselves in a society where they are not allowed self-expression. To a black westerner, self-expression means a lot. But in Korea you are not only black, you're female in a Confucian male-dominated society. You see BS going on around you but you can't be empowered in any way.
Many people have quit in frustration, both black and white, there is no denying that. But again, I think the frustrations pretty much apply to everyone. On the flip side, can you give me an example of how the "blond bimbo" is any more empowered than anyone else?

Chaparrastique wrote:

Are you ready to be paid half of what the blonde bimbo next to you gets even though you're twice as good? Are you ready to have your face cut out of the school photos on the notice board?
Paid half?? Where do you get that from? I am skeptical about the photo cutting as well.

Look, there is no denying that many schools favor hiring young,white females, so yes, for the OP getting a job may be more difficult. But once hired, she stands just as good of a chance of having a positive experience as anyone else, including the group of "quite a few black women who've had success" that she already knows about!
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have known (and still know) black women that found success here.
Positive mental attitude goes a long way here. Although you may have heard there are bigots here, usually the worst are unqualified native speakers who you won't be working for anyway. Koreans are warm, direct people.
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