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candy bar
Joined: 03 Dec 2012
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 Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:17 pm Post subject: Teacher qualification requirements going up |
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EPIC will soon require its teachers (NETS) to pass TEFL/TESOL courses. On-line courses won't be accepted.
A good way to get rid of the old bunch and bring in some fresh newbie faces, at 2.1 million per month. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:24 pm Post subject: Re: Teacher qualification requirements going up |
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| candy bar wrote: |
EPIC will soon require its teachers (NETS) to pass TEFL/TESOL courses. On-line courses won't be accepted.
A good way to get rid of the old bunch and bring in some fresh newbie faces, at 2.1 million per month. |
NEW teachers.....
old teachers are exempt due to meeting the "classroom experience" requirement.
Even now they need to have 20 hours F-F (60 F-F hours to work in Pusan).
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candy bar
Joined: 03 Dec 2012
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:38 pm Post subject: Re: Teacher qualification requirements going up |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| candy bar wrote: |
EPIC will soon require its teachers (NETS) to pass TEFL/TESOL courses. On-line courses won't be accepted.
A good way to get rid of the old bunch and bring in some fresh newbie faces, at 2.1 million per month. |
NEW teachers.....
old teachers are exempt due to meeting the "classroom experience" requirement.
Even now they need to have 20 hours F-F (60 F-F hours to work in Pusan).
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I stand corrected. Yes, NEW teachers….
Thanks, tom |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| That just means more people in hagwons... Epik is terrible anyway, they are making you jump through more hoops than the JET Program. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I would rather that the Hagwon, Public School Market collapse and return to a Teacher's market (that would be great), however at least I have both a TEFL and a Master's related to Education. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| We don't teach TESOL in Korea. We teach TEFL. Why would the Koreans want NETs to take a TESOL course? Do they think they are the same thing? |
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Bongotruck
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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And I bet pay is going up to put it on par with JET, right?
Wrong. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| We don't teach TESOL in Korea. We teach TEFL. Why would the Koreans want NETs to take a TESOL course? Do they think they are the same thing? |
I understand the different context between:
TEFL - Teaching English as a Foreign Language (Teaching English in a non-anglophone country/context) and
TESL - Teaching English as a Second language (Teaching English in an anglophone country/context)
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but both cases are TESOL (Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages) and a proper TESOL program (usually MA/M.Ed) covers both contexts (TEFL/TESL) and usually encompasses the theory behind the pedagogy as well things like linguistics as well as the various approaches and methods ...
as compared to ...
a generic TEFL/TESL course (100+ hours) than usually only covers the basics of classroom management and a few of the more common methods/approaches (often just in communicative methodology).
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Bongotruck wrote: |
And I bet pay is going up to put it on par with JET, right?
Wrong. |
Yes. Wrong. And JET recently cut their pay scale as well (which means things aren't just deteriorating for EFL teachers in Korea but Japan also). But still JET pays more. Harder to get into though. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| We don't teach TESOL in Korea. We teach TEFL. Why would the Koreans want NETs to take a TESOL course? Do they think they are the same thing? |
I understand the different context between:
TEFL - Teaching English as a Foreign Language (Teaching English in a non-anglophone country/context) and
TESL - Teaching English as a Second language (Teaching English in an anglophone country/context)
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but both cases are TESOL (Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages) and a proper TESOL program (usually MA/M.Ed) covers both contexts (TEFL/TESL) and usually encompasses the theory behind the pedagogy as well things like linguistics as well as the various approaches and methods ...
as compared to ...
a generic TEFL/TESL course (100+ hours) than usually only covers the basics of classroom management and a few of the more common methods/approaches (often just in communicative methodology).
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It depends on the program and it depends on the country it is offered in. For example I've seen TESOL programs offered in native speaking countries that are strictly TESL in nature and aimed at integrating immigrants into a new language and culture. They contend that programs covering both TESL and TEFL are not in-depth enough and often do not adequately cover both fields. |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| We don't teach TESOL in Korea. We teach TEFL. Why would the Koreans want NETs to take a TESOL course? Do they think they are the same thing? |
I understand the different context between:
TEFL - Teaching English as a Foreign Language (Teaching English in a non-anglophone country/context) and
TESL - Teaching English as a Second language (Teaching English in an anglophone country/context)
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but both cases are TESOL (Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages) and a proper TESOL program (usually MA/M.Ed) covers both contexts (TEFL/TESL) and usually encompasses the theory behind the pedagogy as well things like linguistics as well as the various approaches and methods ...
as compared to ...
a generic TEFL/TESL course (100+ hours) than usually only covers the basics of classroom management and a few of the more common methods/approaches (often just in communicative methodology).
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This site should be called Dave's EFL cafe. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| We don't teach TESOL in Korea. We teach TEFL. Why would the Koreans want NETs to take a TESOL course? Do they think they are the same thing? |
I understand the different context between:
TEFL - Teaching English as a Foreign Language (Teaching English in a non-anglophone country/context) and
TESL - Teaching English as a Second language (Teaching English in an anglophone country/context)
...
but both cases are TESOL (Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages) and a proper TESOL program (usually MA/M.Ed) covers both contexts (TEFL/TESL) and usually encompasses the theory behind the pedagogy as well things like linguistics as well as the various approaches and methods ...
as compared to ...
a generic TEFL/TESL course (100+ hours) than usually only covers the basics of classroom management and a few of the more common methods/approaches (often just in communicative methodology).
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This site should be called Dave's EFL cafe. |
I don't know why it's called a café. You can't order a coffee here. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| I've recently completed a TESOL certification at a uni. It was easy. $1500.00 and 15 weeks. No big deal. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Died By Bear wrote: |
| I've recently completed a TESOL certification at a uni. It was easy. $1500.00 and 15 weeks. No big deal. |
This applies, from what other said, to people without the experience. I don't have a certificate, but I do have an M.A. in TESOL. I decided it would be good to get one some years back. I may pursue a CELTA to have the certificate, anyway, but I don't know if I am planning to stay in the R.O.K.
At any rate, they plan on upping the qualifications, but I doubt they'll increase the pay. We already have to go through major hoops just to get the visa. They don't "need" so many teachers since they cut many positions. That said, fewer people will want to come here in the near future, IMHO. I hear of many people trying to bail, especially those with more education and qualifications. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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I guess they finally realized that an English or linguistics degree doesn't automatically make one knowledgeable about or good at teaching the language. Maybe those TEFL/TESOL requirements will finally get the language majors up to the English level of the science majors.  |
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