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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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OK, I'm not interested in getting into an online debate on this, but well, I say this is a fight that would really make Manny's career, not that it isn't great now but a win over Floyd would really take it to the top. So based on the importance of this fight, I say it's more of a motivation for Pac.
Second, we would've seen each fighter in his prime back five years ago and they would've made big dough back then, plus enough room for several rematches. So yes, this fight is late.
And a history of domestic violence IS disturbing, rather disappointed that you don't think so. Considering how the sports leagues are cracking down on players who abuse their women, and yet Floyd...
http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/10/news/companies/mayweather-domestic-abuse/ |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:08 am Post subject: |
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Yaya wrote: |
OK, I'm not interested in getting into an online debate on this, but well, I say this is a fight that would really make Manny's career, not that it isn't great now but a win over Floyd would really take it to the top. So based on the importance of this fight, I say it's more of a motivation for Pac.
Second, we would've seen each fighter in his prime back five years ago and they would've made big dough back then, plus enough room for several rematches. So yes, this fight is late.
And a history of domestic violence IS disturbing, rather disappointed that you don't think so. Considering how the sports leagues are cracking down on players who abuse their women, and yet Floyd...
http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/10/news/companies/mayweather-domestic-abuse/ |
Of course you wouldn't. you would lose that debate since you don't even know what you're debating. I doubt they would've made more than 100 million each for one fight several years ago. I agree this would've been a more interesting fight with both guys in their prime from a boxing perspective, but financially, this is a better deal for them.
When the woman in question has a history of lying in court and being violent herself, no, I don't take it seriously. |
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:13 am Post subject: |
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fermentation wrote: |
Yaya wrote: |
OK, I'm not interested in getting into an online debate on this, but well, I say this is a fight that would really make Manny's career, not that it isn't great now but a win over Floyd would really take it to the top. So based on the importance of this fight, I say it's more of a motivation for Pac.
Second, we would've seen each fighter in his prime back five years ago and they would've made big dough back then, plus enough room for several rematches. So yes, this fight is late.
And a history of domestic violence IS disturbing, rather disappointed that you don't think so. Considering how the sports leagues are cracking down on players who abuse their women, and yet Floyd...
http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/10/news/companies/mayweather-domestic-abuse/ |
Of course you wouldn't. you would lose that debate since you don't even know what you're debating. I doubt they would've made more than 100 million each for one fight several years ago. I agree this would've been a more interesting fight with both guys in their prime from a boxing perspective, but financially, this is a better deal for them.
When the woman in question has a history of lying in court and being violent herself, no, I don't take it seriously. |
Floyd Mayweather's history of misogyny, expressed—as he is wont to do—through violence, is well-documented and reprehensible. It extends over a dozen years and includes at least seven separate physical assaults on five different women that resulted in arrest or citation, as well as several other instances where the police had to be summoned in response to an actual or perceived threat from Mayweather.
http://deadspin.com/the-trouble-with-floyd-mayweather-1605217498 |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:17 am Post subject: |
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fermentation wrote: |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa7dAk5cZPI |
Vlad TV, great source! So all of the other women are lying, too, eh? Your argument falls flat, plus Floyd has been twice CONVICTED of domestic violence, including a guilty plea in 2011 and time served in prison. As I said before, I find it disturbing that you discount Floyd's violent past.
Plus I don't approach sporting events from the perspective of how much one is worth but of entertainment and the best match-up. So yes, the fight is five to six years late, like most boxing experts have said. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:46 am Post subject: |
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Yaya wrote: |
fermentation wrote: |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa7dAk5cZPI |
Vlad TV, great source! So all of the other women are lying, too, eh? Your argument falls flat, plus Floyd has been twice CONVICTED of domestic violence, including a guilty plea in 2011 and time served in prison. As I said before, I find it disturbing that you discount Floyd's violent past.
Plus I don't approach sporting events from the perspective of how much one is worth but of entertainment and the best match-up. So yes, the fight is five to six years late, like most boxing experts have said. |
So you think Tyson was actually guilty as well? Read the reports, Floyd has been accused of beating women in public but for some reason there are no eye-wtnesses except for Josie Harris and her friends. You can discredit the source, but it's actual interview with the woman in question herself talking. Unless you think Vlad TV made her make shit up. I don't discount his violent past, he has a history of beating up his opponents.
Stop listening to boxing experts and think for yourself. Why is it late in your opinion? Both guys are still the kings of the sport, coming off wins and beating up guys coming up in the game. This isn't like Jones vs Trinidad when both guys were obviously not at the top anymore. |
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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Again, both boxers were in their primes back in 2009-10 so yes, I stand by my assertion (and that of most boxing experts) that this fight is five to six years late, though better late than never. Fine if you disagree.
Now you mention Tyson? Aside from his rape conviction, he's been in trouble with the law time and time again.
Also in 1986, a sales clerk in an Albany, N.Y., shopping mall complained that Tyson had become violent when she rebuffed his sexual proposition. Later the same night, Tyson was ejected from a nearby movie theater following a similar complaint. In June 1987, Tyson allegedly tried to kiss a woman in a parking lot, and struck the lot attendant who came to the woman's defense. Tyson was charged with misdemeanor assault and battery and assault with a deadly weapon, but paid $105,000 to settle the case out of court. In February 1988, Tyson married Robin Givens. Four months later Givens and her family went public with allegations that Tyson had beaten her.
In December 1988, two women filed separate claims that Tyson had grabbed and groped them in a nightclub; Tyson was eventually fined $100. In April 1989, Tyson was accused of beating a parking lot attendant outside a Los Angeles nightclub.
http://www.nndb.com/people/257/000023188/
And again, it's disturbing how you gloss over these things but hey, feel free to think what you will. |
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Koharski Mod Team


Joined: 20 Jul 2009
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Take the side conversion somewhere else. the original topic of thread is not a discussion of who you think will win, or how money the fighters would have made 5 years ago. That is a thread for the Off-topic Forum.
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:53 am Post subject: |
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A rich celebrity who's frankly gullible and prone to manipulation being accused of things isn't nothing new. The US is country where people automatically jump to the woman's side at any sort of dispute against a man, with or without hard evidence. I don't assume something is automatically true because a court says it.
I disagree for a reason. The only thing you keep bringing up is "most boxing experts." Repeating that phrase doesn't really constitute an argument. Why exactly is it "late" in your opinion?
You should move this to the off-topic. I don't know why this was made in this section anyway. |
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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It's good that this is being televised by a major Korean network, though I'm thinking it'll be time delayed by 20 minutes or so as were the last two Pac-man fights aired in Korea (but they were on cable channels).
Coverage begins at 12:10 p.m. that day. |
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peter07

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Gwangmyeong
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Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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Bump, this is gonna be great AND I think the time delay will be in seconds, not minutes! |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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It begins at 11 am according to the website. Hope they show some of the undercards. Always fun to watch Lomachenko wreck people. |
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catman

Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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I will be surprised if this is anything but a Mayweather unanimous decision.
Most overhyped fight of the century. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 5:07 am Post subject: |
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I just made a bet on Pac Man to win. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 6:11 am Post subject: |
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Stan Rogers wrote: |
I just made a bet on Pac Man to win. |
You must enjoy losing bets.
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Most overhyped fight of the century. |
Sure I think Mayweather wins this, but how many fights can you recall where two fighters who have completely dominated their era and are fighting eachother? This akin to Hagler/Hearns except both Pacquiao and Mayweather achieved more than both Hagler and Hearns have in my opinion. |
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