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Is unpaid training pretty common/standard?

 
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orro3790



Joined: 07 Jan 2015

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 8:23 pm    Post subject: Is unpaid training pretty common/standard? Reply with quote

I am in the process of reviewing a contract which says that I must undergo 7 days of unpaid training before the contract begins. Is unpaid training common or am I getting ripped off here? I see that programs like EPIK require teachers to take 9 days of unpaid training, so I thought maybe this is kind of standard?

Also, my contract doesn't explicitly say how many vacation days we receive, but it does say that they must be taken within permitted times. Is this also a rip off?

I'm a first time ESL teacher, so I'm sorry for the noob questions, I've tried to find the answers myself. Thanks so much.
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tanklor1



Joined: 13 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes.
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ippy



Joined: 25 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bottom line is: If its in the contract, its 100% usual.

If you dont want it to be in the contract then you say to the recruiter that youre not prepared to accept this clause and please remove it.

If you arent image friendly (and have no experience) then prepare for the recruiter to say "sorry, its a standardized contract, im afraid it cant be amended".

At which point you can just turn it down or accept it.

If, on the other hand youre kinda image friendly and the school really wants you, then well done, you stuck up for yourself and got a better deal.

It doesnt matter a crap what everyone elses contract is. It matters what youre prepared to sign.
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kingplaya4



Joined: 14 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why take a job with unpaid training when there are still plenty of jobs out there that have paid training (or none at all). I hope you're not coming from overseas. I've heard (thirdhand) of hagwons using this as kind of feeling out period and cutting some teachers they didn't like. If you are set on this job, at least make sure they pay for your plane ticket upfront.
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mysteryadam



Joined: 27 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Is unpaid training pretty common/standard? Reply with quote

orro3790 wrote:
I am in the process of reviewing a contract which says that I must undergo 7 days of unpaid training before the contract begins. Is unpaid training common or am I getting ripped off here? I see that programs like EPIK require teachers to take 9 days of unpaid training, so I thought maybe this is kind of standard?

Also, my contract doesn't explicitly say how many vacation days we receive, but it does say that they must be taken within permitted times. Is this also a rip off?

I'm a first time ESL teacher, so I'm sorry for the noob questions, I've tried to find the answers myself. Thanks so much.



Chungdahm hahahaha Chungdahm

Ok, now that I have gotten that out of my system....

PM me. I'll sort you out about this "job" you have applied for.
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FastForward



Joined: 04 Jul 2011

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Is unpaid training pretty common/standard? Reply with quote

orro3790 wrote:
I am in the process of reviewing a contract which says that I must undergo 7 days of unpaid training before the contract begins. Is unpaid training common or am I getting ripped off here? I see that programs like EPIK require teachers to take 9 days of unpaid training, so I thought maybe this is kind of standard?

Also, my contract doesn't explicitly say how many vacation days we receive, but it does say that they must be taken within permitted times. Is this also a rip off?

I'm a first time ESL teacher, so I'm sorry for the noob questions, I've tried to find the answers myself. Thanks so much.


Just depends on the school. I've seen unpaid training, 50% paid training, no training, and paid training. The small schools usually have no training. The big companies will usually do the week long trainings and they vary on if they pay you for it or not.

Make sure they put how many vacation days you will be getting in the contract. Don't want to end up with one day off all year. You should also get clarification on when these permitted times are. Usually its during testing time, specific weeks in winter and summer, or after a set number of months.
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orro3790



Joined: 07 Jan 2015

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 6:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Is unpaid training pretty common/standard? Reply with quote

FastForward wrote:
orro3790 wrote:
I am in the process of reviewing a contract which says that I must undergo 7 days of unpaid training before the contract begins. Is unpaid training common or am I getting ripped off here? I see that programs like EPIK require teachers to take 9 days of unpaid training, so I thought maybe this is kind of standard?

Also, my contract doesn't explicitly say how many vacation days we receive, but it does say that they must be taken within permitted times. Is this also a rip off?

I'm a first time ESL teacher, so I'm sorry for the noob questions, I've tried to find the answers myself. Thanks so much.


Just depends on the school. I've seen unpaid training, 50% paid training, no training, and paid training. The small schools usually have no training. The big companies will usually do the week long trainings and they vary on if they pay you for it or not.

Make sure they put how many vacation days you will be getting in the contract. Don't want to end up with one day off all year. You should also get clarification on when these permitted times are. Usually its during testing time, specific weeks in winter and summer, or after a set number of months.


Thanks so much Smile
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Drew345



Joined: 24 May 2005

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My school pays the trainer for the training and considers that to be a "benefit" for the teachers. A request for the teachers to be paid for the training would probably be laughed at. Still, I like the idea.
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