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haleynicole14
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 12:26 pm Post subject: Korean student writes comma with name |
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Hello! Elementary teacher in the US here. I have a Korean student who writes her name with a comma in the middle. First name, Last. For example, "Megan, Kim". It's a little thing, but she's such a bright kid, and I can't get her to kick the habit! She used to go to school in Korea, and says that that's how names are written there. Is that true? Just wondering.  |
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Bongotruck
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| It is not normal here. Her teacher was a yutz. |
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thrylos

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Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Her teacher may have been a yutz, but it is common and not a one-off.
OP, Koreans are....special...in many ways.
All that you're dealing with is the convention of listing family name first, first name last, separated by a comma. ie, Kim, Megan. A normal punctuation situation in English. Dates and addresses work the same way, big-small.
Somewhere along the line, when they are taught to use first name first when writing their names, they can't seem to get rid of the comma between first and last names even if it's totally wrong. Whether it's in instruction of just habit, IDK. But it is as common as asking 'what's the singular of shirts' "Shirts" (same) and how do you say orange? (orangeeeee).
Good luck, and let us know how (and if) you get her to kick the habit! |
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haleynicole14
Joined: 20 Apr 2012
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| thrylos wrote: |
Her teacher may have been a yutz, but it is common and not a one-off.
OP, Koreans are....special...in many ways.
All that you're dealing with is the convention of listing family name first, first name last, separated by a comma. ie, Kim, Megan. A normal punctuation situation in English.
Somewhere along the line, when they are taught to use first name first when writing their names, they can't seem to get rid of the comma between first and last names even if it's totally wrong. Whether it's in instruction of just habit, IDK. But it is as common as asking 'what's the singular of shirts' "Shirts" (same) and how do you say orange? (orangeeeee).
Good luck, and let us know how (and if) you get her to kick the habit! |
Thank you both!
Quite honestly, I'll probably just leave her be. She seems to think that it is a cultural thing and "what Koreans do". It's the end of the year anyway.
What you said, thrylos, is what I had been thinking was likely. |
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Bongotruck
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Wait until you see how she writes the numbrr 9. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Conversely, if I were asked to write my name family name first then my given name, I'd be tempted to use a comma too. |
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Jake_Kim
Joined: 27 Aug 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 10:41 am Post subject: |
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When Koreans write their names in Korean, the order is family name before given name, but NO COMMA is used anywhere, ever. Period.
Teach her the right convention of writing names in English, point out and contrast the difference with the Korean convention if you can, but know that your student is currently failing in both conventions.
If she insists on her being correct, have her look at her parents' Korean ID and find a comma in the middle, because there isn't any. |
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thrylos

Joined: 10 Jun 2008
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Jake_Kim wrote: |
When Koreans write their names in Korean, the order is family name before given name, but NO COMMA is used anywhere, ever. Period.
Teach her the right convention of writing names in English, point out and contrast the difference with the Korean convention if you can, but know that your student is currently failing in both conventions.
If she insists on her being correct, have her look at her parents' Korean ID and find a comma in the middle, because there isn't any. |
But many are taught (in school? hagwon?) when using English to use a comma between family name and first name, which is correct. Amazing how much grammatical minutiae Korean English teachers know but can't get them to say more than hello. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010 Location: Victoria, Canada.
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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It's wrong, but it sounds like one of those situations where only a Korean will be listened to. Foreigners couldn't know:)
[Wife my wife, I'd tell her something, she'd ignore it. Then later, a Korean would tell her the same thing, and she'd be like "do you know x, Mr. Kim told me." And I'd be like, "I told you that months ago."]
And I don't think it has to do with status, a Korean shoe-shiner's opinion would hold more weight that a foreign CEO.
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So glad SR is no longer around. |
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yodanole
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Location: La Florida
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Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 10:50 am Post subject: |
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| I'd have more confidence in a Korean shoe shiner than a foreign CEO myself. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Just tell her the protocol she is following is correct being that Koreans write their names is reverse order, however let her know Westerners don't do it that way at all and it will cause confusion in the future for her. |
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The Cosmic Hum

Joined: 09 May 2003 Location: Sonic Space
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