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Bongotruck
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
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Hey now. They invented a ship that is not used, a beyond-useless water clock, and thunder sticks. Thanks to Koreans, we can........enjoy a sports game.
Unless another ferry drowns and they ban cheering again.
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Koreans just don't have any great inventors or innovative thinkers that went to any university in Korea (or elsewhere), so b-rate action stars it is.  |
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Vianca
Joined: 02 Oct 2011
Location: a Korean woman in Seoul
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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In my mother's age it was one of the top in Korea like you quoted
But it's now considered a bit better than average university in Seoul
But still the best Womens university in Korea
Girls smarter now go to SKY (Seoul, Korea, Yonsei, Seokang...)
Maybe I can say still as good as Hanyang and Seongkyunkwan university. |
And I believe your university was founded by an American missionary. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 9:23 am Post subject: |
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Hey now. They invented a ship that is not used, a beyond-useless water clock, and thunder sticks. Thanks to Koreans, we can........enjoy a sports game.
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Dismissing that ship because its not used anymore is like dismissing the Gatling gun because its been superseded by other more modern designs.
The soft-material bullet proof vest wasn't bad either. |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Bongotruck wrote: |
Hey now. They invented a ship that is not used, a beyond-useless water clock, and thunder sticks. Thanks to Koreans, we can........enjoy a sports game.
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Dismissing that ship because its not used anymore is like dismissing the Gatling gun because its been superseded by other more modern designs.
The soft-material bullet proof vest wasn't bad either. |
Nope.
Dismissing the ship is like dismissing a gun that was only ever used by one country, was discontinued fairly quickly, and had little or no effect on the fire-arms of other countries. |
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metalhead
Joined: 18 May 2010
Location: Toilet
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| Some of you guys are way too harsh on Korea's accomplishments, 5000 years of culture AND history gave the world four distinct seasons, can you say the same about your country? I thought not. |
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Bongotruck
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 7:47 am Post subject: |
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You mean the 5000 years that didn't exist. 4348 if you believe they story about a tiger turning into a woman. I don't, but it is still more probable than fan death.
They found some human remains in Canada a while back that were carbon dated to 8000 years. If someone asks me how old Canada is, I will just say 8000 years. If people lived there, it must have been a country.
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| Some of you guys are way too harsh on Korea's accomplishments, 5000 years of culture AND history gave the world four distinct seasons, can you say the same about your country? I thought not. |
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GEOM
Joined: 04 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Well Koreans have shown the world that a country can develop quickly if it removes red-tape from economic development. Unfortunately, it has also shown the western world the downside of less red tape many, many times.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-12-03/news/fl-slow-government-20111203_1_convention-center-hotel-elections-headquarters-projects
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Tired of delays in building a convention center hotel, Broward County commissioners set a deadline of midnight to get a contract signed.
Alas, that was 11 years ago. There's still no hotel.
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In Korea, a project like this will be completed in 5-years followed by an epic tragedy. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Bongotruck wrote: |
Hey now. They invented a ship that is not used, a beyond-useless water clock, and thunder sticks. Thanks to Koreans, we can........enjoy a sports game.
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Dismissing that ship because its not used anymore is like dismissing the Gatling gun because its been superseded by other more modern designs.
The soft-material bullet proof vest wasn't bad either. |
Nope.
Dismissing the ship is like dismissing a gun that was only ever used by one country, was discontinued fairly quickly, and had little or no effect on the fire-arms of other countries. |
Well, the reason for that is Korea's relative geographic isolation and the nature of the ship itself. This is why understanding something and researching it is more valuable than drive-by commentary based off of ignorance.
The Korean navy at the time was a coastal navy, defensive in nature. It's ships reflected that doctrine. They were designed to repel invasion in the coastal waters of Korea, not sail the ocean blue in their beautiful saucy ship. Their design's influence would have limited utility to the Chinese, Mongols, or Japanese who were their closest neighbors. However, none of those empires had much desire to see their navy be a coastal, defensive one. It's design would fail to influence them and that in turn would make it unlikely to influence other countries.
If you put the turtleship in the Mediterranean at the appropriate time, it most certainly would have influenced ship design in other countries. It's concept and design implementation was hundreds of years ahead of its time- a cannon armed, heavily armored ship, more suited for coastal or river action, shallow draft, capable of bursts of speed, and capable of ramming attacks. This theory would coalesce together 250 years later in the first steam powered ironclads.
Just because relative geographic isolation meant something failed to influence the entire world, doesn't make it a meaningless invention. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Some of you guys are way too harsh on Korea's accomplishments, 5000 years of culture AND history gave the world four distinct seasons, can you say the same about your country? I thought not. |
None of us have contributed anything of consequence either, so I see no reason to get all puffed up about my country's vs. your country's accomplishments. Let them do that if they want. Just ignore. Just as Koreans have this hierarchy at the top, sometimes I get the feeling that people have their own hierarchy and Koreans occupy a place below them on it. Just as some ajosshi might talk down to one of us, they talk down to Koreans. Usually the people who complain about it the most are the ones who do it a lot themselves.
Also, it seems a lot of the time that the people who are the first to talk about the brilliant inventions of their country and implicitly suggest that they are somehow connected to it/deserve the adulation of the locals are the same people who vehemently deny that they share any sort of blame for the past ills of their country.
"WE gave the world the internet. WE gave the world telephones. WE gave the world the airplane."
"What about slavery?"
"I didn't have anything to do with that. I am not responsible for the past." |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually, the U.S. didn't give the world slavery. It was around long before that. Had those slaves not been shipped to the U.S., they'd be slaves in Africa. Which is the better place to live (in 2015): the United States or Congo? So black people (or anyone else) shouldn't be too pissed about that. They actually lucked out. Now they live in the richest country in the world (rather than one of the absolute poorest ones). Per capita income in the U.S. $54,000 a year. In the Democratic Republic of Congo: $412 per year (which is less than 1%). Probably the only time an American mentions past inventions is when an obnoxious Canadian tries to claim the United States ruined the world. |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Bongotruck wrote: |
Hey now. They invented a ship that is not used, a beyond-useless water clock, and thunder sticks. Thanks to Koreans, we can........enjoy a sports game.
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Dismissing that ship because its not used anymore is like dismissing the Gatling gun because its been superseded by other more modern designs.
The soft-material bullet proof vest wasn't bad either. |
Nope.
Dismissing the ship is like dismissing a gun that was only ever used by one country, was discontinued fairly quickly, and had little or no effect on the fire-arms of other countries. |
Well, the reason for that is Korea's relative geographic isolation and the nature of the ship itself. This is why understanding something and researching it is more valuable than drive-by commentary based off of ignorance.
The Korean navy at the time was a coastal navy, defensive in nature. It's ships reflected that doctrine. They were designed to repel invasion in the coastal waters of Korea, not sail the ocean blue in their beautiful saucy ship. Their design's influence would have limited utility to the Chinese, Mongols, or Japanese who were their closest neighbors. However, none of those empires had much desire to see their navy be a coastal, defensive one. It's design would fail to influence them and that in turn would make it unlikely to influence other countries.
If you put the turtleship in the Mediterranean at the appropriate time, it most certainly would have influenced ship design in other countries. It's concept and design implementation was hundreds of years ahead of its time- a cannon armed, heavily armored ship, more suited for coastal or river action, shallow draft, capable of bursts of speed, and capable of ramming attacks. This theory would coalesce together 250 years later in the first steam powered ironclads.
Just because relative geographic isolation meant something failed to influence the entire world, doesn't make it a meaningless invention. |
Relative geographic isolation.
More excuses from losers. The turtleship was a dud. Stop deluding yourself.
And spare us the sudden claim to be an expert on the history of ships. We all know you're a blatant liar and a bigot. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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Relative geographic isolation.
More excuses from losers. The turtleship was a dud. Stop deluding yourself.
And spare us the sudden claim to be an expert on the history of ships. We all know you're a blatant liar and a bigot. |
Its not an excuse, its historical analysis. The Chinese navy had no use for a coastal defender, which was the turtleship's role. The geographic nature of East Asia meant that it couldn't have the influence that it might have had in the Mediterranean where there were considerably more number of countries and the conditions would have been favorable to coastal defenders.
How is the Turtleship supposed to influence navies on the other side of the world when it is a COASTAL vessel?
That's like saying Finnish ski troop tactics were a dud because no one else used them. They were very specific to their conditions and circumstances.
I think the sunken and defeated Japanese navy would disagree with your assessment of being a "dud", as would any serious scholar of East Asian naval history.
You mock my knowledge on the subject, but you've brought nothing to the table in terms of actual scholarly or logical reasoning to the table.
I may not be an expert, but I'm not wallowing in willful ignorance like you are. My reaction to something I don't know much about is to start reading about it, not dismiss it as stupid.
Just because you don't know much about it, doesn't make it wrong, and it doesn't mean I'm wrong either. Saying "You're not an expert" doesn't make my point invalid if you have nothing to offer.
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually, the U.S. didn't give the world slavery. It was around long before that. Had those slaves not been shipped to the U.S., they'd be slaves in Africa. Which is the better place to live (in 2015): the United States or Congo? So black people (or anyone else) shouldn't be too pissed about that. They actually lucked out. Now they live in the richest country in the world (rather than one of the absolute poorest ones). Per capita income in the U.S. $54,000 a year. In the Democratic Republic of Congo: $412 per year (which is less than 1%). Probably the only time an American mentions past inventions is when an obnoxious Canadian tries to claim the United States ruined the world. |
I somewhat agree with your point. Although slavery was an abomination, their descendants got to be born in the States. It seems that its too "un-PC" to get mentioned often, but you don't hear of many descendants of slaves deciding to head back to Africa to raise a family.
Wait...what's this thread about, again? |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Not only that but they were slaves IN AFRICA before going to the U.S. It's not like some white people grabbed them out of the jungle and made them slaves. Black people in America need to understand that. (Most don't.) That'd go a long way towards making them hate white people less . |
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