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Korean police are a fantastic waste of tax payers' money.
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Smithington



Joined: 14 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:02 pm    Post subject: Korean police are a fantastic waste of tax payers' money. Reply with quote

Honestly, I think they could hand out pink slips to 98% of the country's police officers and no-one would notice the difference. Think of all those do-nothings in uniform drawing a paycheck from the government each month. The government could save a fortune by sacking them. And as far as I'm concerned the vast majority of them deserve to be sacked.

I can't even watch them anymore. Last night I was sitting outside a local mart right across from a police station. The traffic violations I witnessed in those fifteen minutes really started to bother me. I could have handed out fifty tickets in that time. There were even two cops standing outside the station for most of that time, and they didn't blink an eye. Pathetic. I'd fire the lot of hem. Out of disgust I finished my drink and headed to another mart three bocks away so I wouldn't have to witness this spectacle of apathy and inertia.

Then on the weekend, in Itaewon, I watched in fascination the group of twelve kops in their yellow vests marching around in circles behind the Hamilton hotel. (I'm sure many of you have seen them.) Round they went back down to the main street, marched along the road for five minutes, then back up again behind Hamilton hotel. Round and round they went in circles for about three hours. Meanwhile during that time a thousand traffic violations have occured in front of the Hamilton hotel.

In any other job in the world where people so fantastically and consistently failed to do their job they'd be sacked. Can you imagine if we neglected our teaching duties in that manner. We'd be out the door before lunch.

It's time to fire these do nothings.


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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The traffic tickets are already written, and quite likely for more violations than you noticed. That's the purpose of the traffic cameras.

The police you saw this past weekend in Itaeweon are the conscripts and were deployed for both visibility and also to monitor that religious revival at the end of Itaeweon closest to the army base. A fair number of those conscripts weren't "walking around in circles"; what they were doing was marching in formation to each single post. When they arrived at the post, one would fall out of the formation to take up the single post and the conscript already at the post would fall into the formation. Those single posts were for controlling pedestrian traffic. All three functions are a bit more than "do nothing".

Maybe you should take a stint at police work to learn a bit about it?
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optik404



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smithington for President of Korea. He has all the answers. Hope. Change.
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thrylos



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd much rather have my taxes going to the Kcops who actually help people more times than not instead of the KKKcops of the US, killing (mostly black) teenagers that would make Western movie shoot outs look civilized, using army-style tactics on the citizens they're supposed to 'protect and serve' and subsidizing their donut breaks.

Who could believe they actually serve for the public good instead of acting like self-appointed vigilantes after being the dumba$$ bully back in school?????
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Zyzyfer



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
The traffic tickets are already written, and quite likely for more violations than you noticed. That's the purpose of the traffic cameras.


I like that, in the past few years, cops have started being deployed to problem intersections (like the one at Samgakji) to control traffic and keep drivers from getting stuck in the middle of the intersection and blocking traffic flow. I only found myself wishing they'd be more consistent about it, but maybe it has gotten better.

On that topic, this was a couple of weeks ago now, but I was on a bus and I guess a driver had ignored the cop's instructions to wait, which of course led to the intersection being partially blocked. I looked out the window and saw the cop had whipped out a camcorder to film the transgressor. That was a great moment.
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Smithington



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
The traffic tickets are already written, and quite likely for more violations than you noticed. That's the purpose of the traffic cameras.


How do you know this? Honestly, I'd like to know how you know this. Were there 50 tickets quietly issued while I was sitting outside the mart? Really? Because if you have information about this I'd like to hear about it. You'd think that if all these tickets were being issued on a regular basis that they'd have a deterrent effect? Wouldn't you? The truth is nobody is being deterred because these phantom tickets you're talking about don't exist. Speed cameras are for the highways and major roads only. Do you think I was sitting outside a LG25 in the middle of a highway? And we're talking about more than speeding here, so your emphasis on speeding is a non-starter. I didn't mention speeding anywhere in muy post. The violations I'm talking about are highly varified, from driving on the sidewalk, not indicating on left turns, reckless driving, parking on crosswalks, blocking peoples' view of oncoming traffic, and a hundred other violations.

Sorry, but your attempt to defend Korean police can only be described as a failure. If people aren't deterred from breaking the law right in front of a police station you know the cops aren't doing their job. Christ, a significant number of the violations were from cars going in and out of the police station itself. Are you telling me that when these drivers got home they all realized that they'd been ticketed?

The apathy and inactivity of Korea's police cannot be defended. But you made an effort. I think that's just adorable, but you still get an "F".


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Smithington



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
A fair number of those conscripts weren't "walking around in circles"; what they were doing was marching in formation to each single post. When they arrived at the post, one would fall out of the formation to take up the single post and the conscript already at the post would fall into the formation. Those single posts were for controlling pedestrian traffic. All three functions are a bit more than "do nothing".


I have observed them policing for several weeks while enjoying a pint outside Hans', and you are absolutely correct. They weren't walking in circles. It was more of an "oval" route they were taking. If that is "policing" then Korea must have rewritten the rules of what policing is about. It's great to know they were "controlling pedestrian traffic" at an intersection with traffic lights to let pedestrians know when to walk and not to walk. How on earth would anyone get across the road without them? What they should be doing is policing the damned traffic. You know, the cars and buses flying through the red lights and the jackasses blocking pedestrians crossing on the green light. Never once seen them issue a ticket to anyone. That's hardly policing or "law enforcement".

Policing traffic is a serious business, and it should be especially so in a country with the highest civilian and motorist death rate (by far) in the entire OECD. Does this really need explained to you?

Really?
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nicwr2002



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are definitely inconsistent and rarely follow through with enforcing laws. They put up banners on the trees (breaking the law themselves) that stated there would be a 300 만원 fine for putting banners up using the trees. People continued putting them up and even put them up in front of the announcement. Obviously there hasn't been any enforcement, or a very selective enforcement, because the number of banners hasn't decreased.

The police also posted banners about not parking on the street with a similar fee, but the cars are still there with no noticeable decline. They are almost useless for anything less than a violent crime.

Oh yea, in downtown Gwangju there is this corner at an intersection that the city was trying to make pretty by planting flowers there instead of the usual trash bags. People just kept placing the trash bags there and killing all of the flowers. Finally, they put up a camera with a recording on replay that said, "Don't put trash here or you will get a fine." Guess what, trash is still there and it has been about 6 months are more since that camera was put there.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe Korean police these days just want to avoid being accused of being 'heavy-handed'. So, they let a lot of things go, or aren't agressive responding to minor things.

Remember, that it was up until the mid-90's that being tortured by the Kpolice was routine.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in the "they are pretty useless" crowd.

I rarely see them doing... anything.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've definitely gotten tickets generated by traffic cams. I haven't actually run any red lights in Korea, but evidently I did speed a few times. And those times weren't on the highways.

I have also seen the CSI cops doing their thing; one team at the scene of an attempted arson, another team at the site of some major vandalism. Both of those were about a block away from my apartment in Busan.

I watched the cops last Saturday night in Itaeweon (went to Seoul for my week's vacation) and what I described is what I saw happening. And depending on the time of night and the size of the crowd, it may very well be quite useful to have a cop on hand to herd...er, direct both pedestrian and vehicle traffic at both the intersections and the crosswalks, even if those places already have lights there.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had some good experiences with KCops (Busting a Korean for stealing a foreigner's laptop through B&E, Busting a Korean for stealing from another foreigner's apartment through B&E), I've also seen them yawn as traffic mayhem or other shenanigans happen right in front of them.
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Plain Meaning



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thrylos wrote:
I'd much rather have my taxes going to the Kcops who actually help people more times than not instead of the KKKcops of the US, killing (mostly black) teenagers that would make Western movie shoot outs look civilized, using army-style tactics on the citizens they're supposed to 'protect and serve' and subsidizing their donut breaks.

Who could believe they actually serve for the public good instead of acting like self-appointed vigilantes after being the dumba$$ bully back in school?????


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This is what I would've written if thylos had not saved me the trouble.
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Smithington



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plain Meaning wrote:
thrylos wrote:
I'd much rather have my taxes going to the Kcops who actually help people more times than not instead of the KKKcops of the US, killing (mostly black) teenagers that would make Western movie shoot outs look civilized, using army-style tactics on the citizens they're supposed to 'protect and serve' and subsidizing their donut breaks.

Who could believe they actually serve for the public good instead of acting like self-appointed vigilantes after being the dumba$$ bully back in school?????


^
This is what I would've written if thylos had not saved me the trouble.


Silly child. Not everyone here is from the US. And even within the US the vast (vast) majority of police officers don't act like vigilantes. There are about 900,000 people in law enforcement in the US. Of course one is going to get out of hand on occasion. It's simple statistics. But one cannot generalize about American police because one *beep* shot a black man. But we can generalize about Korean cops because their apathy and inaction is a mass phenomenon. I witness it every day (as does everyone who posts on this forum). Some generalizations are valid. Other generalizations and comparisons are just plain dumb.

Yours be dumb.
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Plain Meaning



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smithington wrote:
Of course one is going to get out of hand on occasion. It's simple statistics. But one cannot generalize about American police because one *beep* shot a black man.


Eric Garner

Dontre Hamilton

Jordan Baker

Freddie Gray

Kris Jackson

Darrien Hunt

Tamir Rice

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site

Quote:
Alleged police practices at Homan Square, according to those familiar with the facility who spoke out to the Guardian after its investigation into Chicago police abuse, include:

-Keeping arrestees out of official booking databases.
-Beating by police, resulting in head wounds.
-Shackling for prolonged periods.
-Denying attorneys access to the “secure” facility.
-Holding people without legal counsel for between 12 and 24 hours, including people as young as 15.

At least one man was found unresponsive in a Homan Square “interview room” and later pronounced dead.


Simple Statistics: Police shootings in US (over 400) compared to Germany, Britain, and Japan (8 combined).

No, I don't care about your latest whine thread about Korea.
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