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Kepler



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:22 am    Post subject: American sentenced to four years for manslaughter Reply with quote

http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LPOD&mid=sec&oid=001&aid=0007682576

This is the man that was involved in a drunken brawl with a Korean man who groped one of his female friends. Judging by the hundreds of comments below the article, it appears that many netizens think the sentence isn't long enough and some wonder if a Korean would serve more time for a similar offense in the USA. I was expecting between two and ten years. I think he could have shaved some time off his sentence if he had compensated the deceased's family with a lot of blood money. I've heard judges in Korea take that into a consideration.
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Chaparrastique



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

.. seems fair to me.

Commiserations to the victims family, but these are the kinds of things that can potentially happen when you instigate fights by insulting someones wife/ gf.
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hogwonguy1979



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:19 am    Post subject: Re: American sentenced to four years for manslaughter Reply with quote

Kepler wrote:
http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LPOD&mid=sec&oid=001&aid=0007682576

This is the man that was involved in a drunken brawl with a Korean man who groped one of his female friends. Judging by the hundreds of comments below the article, it appears that many netizens think the sentence isn't long enough and some wonder if a Korean would serve more time for a similar offense in the USA. I was expecting between two and ten years. I think he could have shaved some time off his sentence if he had compensated the deceased's family with a lot of blood money. I've heard judges in Korea take that into a consideration.


forget the idea of what would a Korean get for a similar crime in the US, lets talk about would a Korean in the same situation in Itaewon get the same sentence? I highly doubt he'd get more than 6 months suspended especially if he used "I was drunk at the time defense"

what a crock
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northway



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:02 am    Post subject: Re: American sentenced to four years for manslaughter Reply with quote

hogwonguy1979 wrote:
Kepler wrote:
http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LPOD&mid=sec&oid=001&aid=0007682576

This is the man that was involved in a drunken brawl with a Korean man who groped one of his female friends. Judging by the hundreds of comments below the article, it appears that many netizens think the sentence isn't long enough and some wonder if a Korean would serve more time for a similar offense in the USA. I was expecting between two and ten years. I think he could have shaved some time off his sentence if he had compensated the deceased's family with a lot of blood money. I've heard judges in Korea take that into a consideration.


forget the idea of what would a Korean get for a similar crime in the US, lets talk about would a Korean in the same situation in Itaewon get the same sentence? I highly doubt he'd get more than 6 months suspended especially if he used "I was drunk at the time defense"

what a crock


Yeah, wondering how the US would punish a Korean in the same situation is some seriously Korean logic.
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cj1976



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:45 pm    Post subject: Re: American sentenced to four years for manslaughter Reply with quote

hogwonguy1979 wrote:
Kepler wrote:
http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LPOD&mid=sec&oid=001&aid=0007682576

This is the man that was involved in a drunken brawl with a Korean man who groped one of his female friends. Judging by the hundreds of comments below the article, it appears that many netizens think the sentence isn't long enough and some wonder if a Korean would serve more time for a similar offense in the USA. I was expecting between two and ten years. I think he could have shaved some time off his sentence if he had compensated the deceased's family with a lot of blood money. I've heard judges in Korea take that into a consideration.


forget the idea of what would a Korean get for a similar crime in the US, lets talk about would a Korean in the same situation in Itaewon get the same sentence? I highly doubt he'd get more than 6 months suspended especially if he used "I was drunk at the time defense"

what a crock


Not taking any sides of this particular mess, but 4 years for punching someone to death seems a bit light. Imagine if it was your son or brother that was killed.
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catman



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was there any evidence that his girlfriend was assaulted by the man?
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really see what the outrage is. I mean come on, four years for manslaughter is pretty light. There might be other cases of the Korean justice system being biased, this isn't one of them. Someone was killed after all and the defendant did flee the scene of the crime. We don't know the full circumstances of the case. If its a one off punch, I'd say even as low as two years is understandable. If he hit the guy while he was unconscious and his head was on the ground, that would be up to second degree murder and something like 15-life back home. All things considered, 4 years is reasonable. If Korea does good behavior or something like that, he can even be out a little sooner.

As far as Korean vs. foreigner sentences, I believe there was some incident where a father guy and 3 youths outside a CU got in a fight and the guy fell and hit his head. That might serve as a comparison IF the facts of the case are similar to this one.
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Smithington



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have little sympathy for the guy. He killed a man, even if that man seems to have been a creep. Even if it was unintentional, it is still manslaughter. And he actively contributed to the situation by being intoxicated up Hooker Hill at 10 in the morning. And by getting into a fist fight with another drunk man. I wonder what the American guy's blood alcohol rate was.

Nothing good can come from still being up Hooker Hill at 10 am - eight hours after most responsible drinkers have jumped in a cab and gone home.

Four years is not an unreasonable price to pay for a man's life, however imperfect that man might have been.
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jazzmaster



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:

As far as Korean vs. foreigner sentences, I believe there was some incident where a father guy and 3 youths outside a CU got in a fight and the guy fell and hit his head. That might serve as a comparison IF the facts of the case are similar to this one.


In that case the murderer served no jail time. The victims family were offered money to cover the hospital bills, funeral, and showed such contrition that the victims family accepted the deal.
The victims wife then asked for clemency on the murderers behalf, which resulted in no jail time.
Once the arrest warrant had been cancelled and the murderer was in the clear, his family cut contact with the victims family without paying the money they promised.
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Smithington



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jazzmaster wrote:
Steelrails wrote:

As far as Korean vs. foreigner sentences, I believe there was some incident where a father guy and 3 youths outside a CU got in a fight and the guy fell and hit his head. That might serve as a comparison IF the facts of the case are similar to this one.


In that case the murderer served no jail time.


"Murder" usually needs to be intentional. A scuffle or fight with one person falling and hitting their head is hardly the commission of "murder". Even the American guy up the hill was only charged with manslaughter.
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Plain Meaning



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems like a fair sentence, but I could see arguments for six to eight years, as well.
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EZE



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:48 pm    Post subject: Re: American sentenced to four years for manslaughter Reply with quote

Kepler wrote:
many netizens think the sentence isn't long enough and some wonder if a Korean would serve more time for a similar offense in the USA.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Latasha_Harlins
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For murder four years is not much. Consider my ex-brother in-law killed his girlfriend in a drunk driving accident and he got 15 years (this was in the US). The charge was also manslaughter.
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World Traveler



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

15 years is way above the norm. (Did he have prior convictions for DWI and/or other crimes?)
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On June 27, 2010, Locane (going by the name Amy Locane-Bovenizer) was involved in a fatal motor vehicle collision in Montgomery, New Jersey. The crash killed a 60-year-old woman and seriously injured the woman's husband as they were turning into their driveway. Locane's blood alcohol level at the time was three times the limit for legal impairment. In December 2010, Locane was indicted for aggravated manslaughter and assault by automobile. On November 27, 2012, a Somerset County jury convicted Locane of vehicular homicide and assault by auto. On February 14, 2013, Locane was sentenced to three years in prison for the crime.


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On December 2006, Lane Garrison was responsible for a car crash which left a teenager dead. The L.A. County District Attorney office officially charged him with vehicular manslaughter, driving under the influence and providing alcohol to a minor.

On October 31, 2007, he was sentenced to 40 months (3 1/3 years) in jail following a guilty plea - entered in May 2007 - on charges of vehicular manslaughter without gross negligence, driving under the influence with a blood-alcohol level of 0.15 percent or higher and providing alcohol to a minor.

He was released from prison in April, 2009 for good behavior.


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EZE



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It varies. The singer for Motley Crue did 15 days for manslaughter. He committed vehicular manslaughter in Los Angeles County, the same county where the Korean was also convicted of manslaughter for using a firearm to kill a girl. The Korean didn't do any jail time at all.
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