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catman
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Of course the drop in oil prices has nothing to do with it.  |
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Mosley
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:54 am Post subject: |
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Look, catman, we all know about the drop in the price in crude oil per barrel. But the timeline I mentioned cannot be a coincidence!
jvalmer: too true (and a sad reflection on the Canadian political "system").
OK, guys, I don't think I'm violating the TOS by mentioning this guy by his Dave's moniker: ersatzprofessor. |
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Coltronator
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| You are absolutely right. Stocks would drop because it is pointless to own parts of a company that are going to make less profits because of taxes. Luckily that will only affect a small number of affluent people/organizations. While the taxes will be used to help a large number of people who need it. Hurray for for modern social democracies! |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| Coltronator wrote: |
| You are absolutely right. Stocks would drop because it is pointless to own parts of a company that are going to make less profits because of taxes. Luckily that will only affect a small number of affluent people/organizations. While the taxes will be used to help a large number of people who need it. Hurray for for modern social democracies! |
Well said. The benefits of having a sales tax will outweigh the costs. Their health care system is in dire straights despite the fact they are the richest province in the country. |
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trueblue
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, the ones who cannot and do not, define what that term means-they are all the same...living in the past, divide and conquer and lead the way to despotism. |
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Mosley
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chellovek
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Fight the power, Mosley!
The far left is running rampant! They control......no major economy in the developed world and have been pretty much irrelevant for the past quarter century. 
....but it's still their fault, because Socialists, yo..... and I feel a bit angry at the world around me and want to blame a political ideology that hasn't been influential since the end of the Cold War.  |
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Mosley
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:52 am Post subject: |
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Deja vu all over again! My original post disappears (just like a decade ago) because someone doesn't like my political leanings!
chellovek: So you are snide. Fine. I can accept that. What I will NOT accept is willful dishonesty or ignorance. The ''left'' has never been stronger. Is Greece in the mess it's in today because it's been adhering to Darwinian free market economics over the last few decades!? Can I go to to virtually any univ. campus in N. America today and spout off about a)qualms about affirmative action b) men's rights c) anti-abortion d) pro-Israel sentiments e) etc., etc, ? Well sure I can! Well, for about...3 minutes. Then, in an institutional environment known for "light, liberty and learning" (I believe I'm quoting Disraeli), I will feel the wrath of the "dormant" Left upon me, demonstrating its commitment to ''diversity" & ''tolerance''. And that's the very tip of the iceberg.... |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| Mosley wrote: |
Deja vu all over again! My original post disappears (just like a decade ago) because someone doesn't like my political leanings!
chellovek: So you are snide. Fine. I can accept that. What I will NOT accept is willful dishonesty or ignorance. The ''left'' has never been stronger. Is Greece in the mess it's in today because it's been adhering to Darwinian free market economics over the last few decades!? Can I go to to virtually any univ. campus in N. America today and spout off about a)qualms about affirmative action b) men's rights c) anti-abortion d) pro-Israel sentiments e) etc., etc, ? Well sure I can! Well, for about...3 minutes. Then, in an institutional environment known for "light, liberty and learning" (I believe I'm quoting Disraeli), I will feel the wrath of the "dormant" Left upon me, demonstrating its commitment to ''diversity" & ''tolerance''. And that's the very tip of the iceberg.... |
It's the internet, I think we're required to be snide 
As to your points-
The left is a lot weaker than it was. I'm on the left myself, and trust me, it gets boring always being on the losing side. You'd have thought that the economic crash 7 years back would have shaken people off this Capitalism shtick- nope, lurch to the right in the main. Slash welfare and keep out the brown people- they're the ones who are responsible for our economic malaise! 
As for Greece, your question is a bit of a red herring. Greece is in a mess, but not because of any left-wing thing. The far left was voted in to office because Greece is already in an economic mess.
There is some of what you say going on on NA campuses, I see some of it myself at work. However, I think you're exaggerating to quite a large degree. There are issues that some SJW/amateur student activist types get upset about, and yes, they will try to unfairly shut you down in any debate. But so long as you're smart and tactful with it, you can advance the kinds of position you mention. If you go in yelling and screaming about these things, hysterical stop-oppressing-me right-winger style, you won't get far because it's a crap argument. It's not the left oppressing you, it's just a poor way of argument in an academic environment that leaves you an easy target for thick-skulled SJW-types to shut down.
I'm actually in some way sympathetic to what you're saying on this. I've followed in the news over the past few years how some speakers at universities have been forced to cancel because SJW types don't like their political viewpoint, and say it's offensive so they shouldn't come and speak. If they don't like the message, they should tackle them in open and free discussion, not simply ban the speaker from speaking on campus.
Otherwise-
a) affirmative action. Yeah that can be dicey ground to argue on because race can very quickly be played.
b) Men's rights......hmm, yeah radical feminism can sometimes seem like a bad joke. Feminism does make a valid critique in my view, though. When you talk about Men's Rights, that could mean anything. Courts favouring the mother in child custody cases? The wife taking the husband to the cleaners on a divorce? Preach it, man! I'm right with you, men have rights too. Equal pay for equal work? Proper maternity pay for pregnant mothers? No, these are things we should help with.
c) anti-abortion. Yeah this seems to be one of your North American things, sort of. People here seem to get way more wound-up over it than people from elsewhere. I have my own opinions on it too, but I'm not going to go picket clinics or shoot doctors over it. I've not noticed much of it in discussion on campus, but I think it folds under the whole feminism thing- women's right to choose and all that. For what it's worth, I think abortion should be legal, but not encouraged. Factually, the embryo is getting killed in an abortion, and that should not be treated as a light or trivial thing. However, I also think that there are circumstances where it's necessary, and is better than the bloodbath that can be back-street or DIY abortions.
d) Pro-Israel. I remember this whole thing way back when I was an undergrad. We had speakers from Friends of Israel come and speak to us, and there were people who supported Israel. Our grouping was heavily into Palestine Solidarity, people with pro-Israel opinions were fine on campus. We didn't like each other, but they were as free to argue their viewpoint as we were, and did so.
e) etc etc. Yeah see, man, I can see where you're coming from on this. |
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Mosley
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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Sure, in the wash they've been shown to be poor choices. But they were not left-wing. A quasi-Marxist government is in power now because their people are spooked and they want out. Fair enough in my view, I would not sacrifice them just to make the IMF and ECB happy. Those organisations are due a serious reckoning in my opinion.
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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As such I'm torn on the whole UK EU referendum that's coming in the next year or two.
I believe in the EU and European unity. But our leadership needs to get the f-ing fear put up them to concentrate their minds. Folk are upset and hurting, we need to help them. |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| Again, I'm very short of time. But I will ask: who are "our leadership"? |
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Coltronator
Joined: 04 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| Hopefully one of a group of people around Trudeau or Muclair (or both) very shortly. |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:43 am Post subject: |
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| Mosley wrote: |
| Again, I'm very short of time. But I will ask: who are "our leadership"? |
People who lead? People at the top end of government, business, media, etc. People that, when they say something, are listened to and have those words acted upon on a socially meaningful scale. i.e. people not like you or me. |
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