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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| There has been a serious lack of leadership in the developed world in recent years. The Greece crisis has grown due in large part to that void. Instead of dealing with the problem, EU leaders just pushed it down a few years and now the s--t is hitting the fan. |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| There has been a serious lack of leadership in the developed world in recent years. The Greece crisis has grown due in large part to that void. Instead of dealing with the problem, EU leaders just pushed it down a few years and now the s--t is hitting the fan. |
Yip.
Greece had basically bullshitted its way into the common currency when they weren't really up to snuff.
There were known and documented competitive problems in their economy. I remember having to study all these great big bolshy boring books full of mind-numbing tables. It was to do with the expansion of the EU in 2004 to bring in the CEEC 8 and Malta and Cyprus. It was noted that this would put a lot of pressure on Greece (Italy and Portugal too, IIRC), because a good chunk of the class of goods and services that Eastern Europe would be competitive in would overlap with Greece and southern Europe, but at a fraction of the cost. Rendering chunks of the Greek economy uncompetitive, and the 똥 has indeed hit the 선풍기.
Countries like Germany were competitive in a different, higher value, class of goods and services, and as such were not directly competing with the CEEC 8 in many areas of economic life. As such, they were not under as much pressure. |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| If either the Shiny Pony or the Grump becomes Canada's next PM, I'll be staying in E. Asia longer still. And I state that as no great fan of Harper. |
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Fallacy
Joined: 29 Jun 2015
Location: ex-ROK
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| Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| There has been a serious lack of leadership in the developed world in recent years. The Greece crisis has grown due in large part to that void. Instead of dealing with the problem, EU leaders just pushed it down a few years and now the s--t is hitting the fan. |
Leadership has probably been comparatively about as good, bad, or ugly in recent years as in not so recent years. As long as the majority of whoever are not threatened by whatever outcomes, then the leadership process of getting there was probably made by and for the interests of stakeholders (see chellovek's definition). A "serious lack of leadership in the developed world" would indicate mass anarchy in the EU, and gladly or sadly, depending upon your politics, none are nearly there yet. When a significant portion of society ends up starving, freezing, and bleeding to death, then I will agree with you on the fan bit. |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| As far as ''leadership'' goes, Lord spare us from the self-anointed types of the SJW ilk. That's already happening in Alberta. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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Wow..didn't expect to see a thread about Alberta politics here. Anyways..
What a load of tripe this thread is. Like most Canadians, Albertans are extremely pragmatic by nature and idealism comes second. They were never the right wing libertarian truck nuts the Eastern media portrayed them as, and now with NDP in power, there didn't suddenly appear bread lines and sculptures of Che Guevara everywhere.
The Conservatives were in power for 43 years, and were seriously tired, eventually succumbing to their own infighting, entitlement, and arrogance.The NDP didn't win the election, the conservatives lost it. The platforms the main political parties ran on were only superficially different, but NDP leader Notley said all the right things at the right time presenting herself as a legitimate choice.
Under the NDP, virtually nothing is different. It's only been six weeks since she was sworn in. Considering the oil slump started before the NDP came into power, they can hardly be blamed for any slump in the economy and previous mismanagement of provincial finances. Times are tough on the white collar side, with corporate oil jobs in Calgary being hit hard, but on the whole, so far Alberta has so far weathered the economy ok. That's not to say there are big challenges ahead with a 7 billion shortfall to deal with, and a slumping world economy, but this hardly falls at the feet of the NDP. |
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Mosley
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