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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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RaiderRyan24
Joined: 05 Mar 2013
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| The main problem with creating a thread that blacklist hagwons in Korea is that it is illegal. I would love to warn everyone about my hagwon but I am worried they will find out it is me since I am the only foreign this school has had in 3 years. It wouldn�t be hard for them to figure out who blacklisted them. Basically they can blacklist you but you can't blacklist them, welcome to Korea. |
Actually no it is not illegal to create a blacklist. If someone sees it and decides to kick up a fuss then they can press libel charges against you. But the police are not going to come and arrest you for that. |
If you're worried about this, just wait to post it until you're out of Korea. Certainly they're not going to track you down in America/Canada/England etc after you've already gone because you posted information on their shitty school online. |
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Fredbob
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: Yongin-Breathing the air-sometimes
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| I do wish that more people would take the time to post after they left Korea. There are legal ramifications for posting something negative about a company online, but they would have to prove damage to their business. The fact that your criticisms may be true DO NOT MATTER! Posting while you are here is putting yourself on a fast track to getting blacklisted however, after so many years, I wonder how many Koreans trust what other recruiters and hagwons post. If you want to test how well it is monitored, post a rant on Craigslist, Korea see how quickly it gets deleted. I think that may be because the websites have deeper pockets and they could be sued for defamation or such by allowing such posts. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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Just knowing statistics (I had two years in college) the facts are going to be pretty skewed by people who did something wrong and got fired, people that are maybe just not that great, or people that are just complainers.
Regarding split shifts, if the shifts really are split in two (not multiple splits) then split shifts are not that bad and not unreasonable. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 4:34 am Post subject: |
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Just knowing statistics (I had two years in college) the facts are going to be pretty skewed by people who did something wrong and got fired, people that are maybe just not that great, or people that are just complainers.
Regarding split shifts, if the shifts really are split in two (not multiple splits) then split shifts are not that bad and not unreasonable. |
This is bascially why most blacklist sites are compeletely useless as sources of relevant information on a school. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 5:06 am Post subject: |
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Some cut and pastes of some old posts of mine about blacklists...
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There was an old post about a supposed black list.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=2393946
Also hagwon associations will also keep a list of troublesome teachers. Those hagwon associations are at times local.
Like any blacklist, the problem is it gets dated, quickly. Plus the problem with the lists it really never gets used. Human nature of people be lazy. Sometimes it is SO HARD to fill in a form or submit an experience.
Some schools may also use immigration to check out teachers. Previous jobs held, immigration violations or troubles. They may also check around with other government agencies. Through with these, I wonder how much and if they will get information as there is some privacy issues.
Some do the leg work and call previous schools. The unfair part is at times many teachers who have been good or even great teachers, will get bad mouthed by previous schools.
Question OP are you suspecting you are blacklisted. Do tell!
If you are being told by this by a recruiter, take it with a grain of salt. I have had a recruiter once tell me a school I was looking at, had heard of me and though I was a bad teachers. Yet low and behold she had another offer to consider.
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Why do the blacklists always out of date. Simple laziness and numbers.
Numbers. You would think that every ESL teacher in Korea would check out eslcafe regularly. I have heard some people guess that maybe 10 percent of people who come to Korea check out eslcafe. And of the 10 percent maybe another 10 would be regulars. So out of a hundred people only 1 would be enough on here to comment. But what has that got to do with blacklists. This would be the first place people who look for about lists. And if only 1 ourt of hundred is willing to check eslcafe. 10 percent of those kind of people will likely post something about their schools. And those willing to post are only willing to post if their school sucks.
Laziness. So many time have we seen people do a drive by post on ESLcafe scream "DO NOT WORK AT *********". If you are lucky you get a ok posting of one or two paragraphs. But usually you get a spelling error and grammatical filled rambling". People ask for more details and all they get is silence or defensive postings. The ironic part is those people put the effort into complain. Imagine how many other who had a bad time did not post something.
I remember the site school watch (http://www.englishschoolwatch.org/)it failed because of two reasons. Once again laziness. The site asked for a whole bunch of info before posting about the school. Which is good allows for a most intelligent post. But most people are to lazy to post or do the work. Two you had to register and pay (I think) which people did not really want to do. Most wanted to google and go.
My advice is do the work yourself. I know I know it is a bad word but work is needed. Get some phone numbers and emails to past and present teachers and get cracking. Ask questions like from the the FAQ forum http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=105423
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Here are some reason why you do not hear about good schools.
One even after 10 plus years of being the number one board for Korea and ESL. I would guess less then 1 percent of the total E2 people come here and post here. This is not including F-Visa holders, people in other countries or Koreans. People have lives and other concerns. Posting and visiting on forums are not what they are interested in doing. Many people are too F**KED to even post on a black or white list. Why write for five minutes when they can watch a TV show, go out for a beer, read a book, or click on another page. Heck even me a times, find better things to do.
The only time people really write on the forums is when things go wrong or badly. I never see a post labeled "My Boss is paying me on time!" or "How do I stay longer at school". No most post are people asking about bad situations or events. So this board is filled with the negative stories and events so by that action you would think all hagwons are crap. I do see the odd in the middle of threads of people commenting on their school and if it is good or OK. In general, my school awesome threads well are boring, no drama!
People are lazy. Take the first one of the amount of people here in Korea that even on the boards is low, then mix in that people are human. Humans are lazy. Why bother writing a good story. I have seen some many people who could not even spend 2 or 3 minutes to contribute a doctor to a doctor list on a facebook page. Name, address, phone number, maybe a link. Or people are not even bothered to even write a clear concise question. The multitude of mind blowing questions that could be answered with spending 5 minutes with google. So with all that laziness..... NOTHING. Nothing is what happens, no news, no comments, good hagwon reports, etc.
Next people are selfish. Some people come here when something goes wrong and ask a question. Maybe get some help, and then once they get it...... NOTHING..... Some people just take and take do not contribute. Like any forum it needs people who will contribute. When even that 1 percent of people of E2s on Daves, do not even fully contribute. Literally, if I would say this board would disappear if 20 or 30 of certain posters stopped. So OP lets say you get some tales and info, where are you going to be in a couple months. Will you be back here posting of what is going on with your job. Or will you like most people get what you need and then fade away. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| Well done skippy. |
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yolandifrates
Joined: 17 May 2010
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:38 am Post subject: Blacklisted Hagowns |
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I really need to add to this list. Even if it is illegal to post about terrible hagwons I feel that other people need to know.
NEVER as in NEVER work for Dongdaemun SLP. These people are absolute snakes. I quit my job there following all the correct channels and they told me if I could help out a little more they would give me a release letter. Never got the letter and then after I had already left they reported me at immigration as a missing person case. Now I am getting kicked out of the country even though I have all the evidence that I resigned.
Dongaemun SLP is a terrible place - people stay away! I was the third person to have quit in 2 months. |
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