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Cave Dweller
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The same thing could be said for a lot of students here. Going to the army directly after high school is the smart choice.
Or learn your major for 2 years then go to the army for 2 years, giving yoy 2 or 3 years disruption in your studoes. Long enough to forget.
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| pretty misleading title to this thread. sounds more to me like he wants to postpone it to play in a tourney since he's a pro golfer and all but they're being asses and won't extend his visa. nothing was stated about him refusing. |
Avoid military service is exactly what he is trying to do. He's 28 now and he wants a 5-6 yr extension. You think when he's 33 he's going to happily do his service? The author is correctly reading between the lines here. |
avoiding and refusing are two very different things. note i didn't say avoiding.
and as another poster said, he's at the top of his game now and 2-3 years at this point of an athlete's career is extreme detrimental, even career-changing.
you people who have a cork up your butts for this guy even though you don't have to worry or care about conscripted military service in your own lives need to get real. |
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NovaKart
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| pretty misleading title to this thread. sounds more to me like he wants to postpone it to play in a tourney since he's a pro golfer and all but they're being asses and won't extend his visa. nothing was stated about him refusing. |
Avoid military service is exactly what he is trying to do. He's 28 now and he wants a 5-6 yr extension. You think when he's 33 he's going to happily do his service? The author is correctly reading between the lines here. |
avoiding and refusing are two very different things. note i didn't say avoiding.
and as another poster said, he's at the top of his game now and 2-3 years at this point of an athlete's career is extreme detrimental, even career-changing.
you people who have a cork up your butts for this guy even though you don't have to worry or care about conscripted military service in your own lives need to get real. |
I agree with you completely here. |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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A problem with this situation is that if he gets away with this, it will be just another way that the rich to show they are able to avoid doing military service.
It won't go over very well with the general public.
No doubt he has the funds to draw this out. But the fact that this is in the public eye won't help him much.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. |
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Stan Rogers
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tophatcat
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 5:42 am Post subject: |
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Is he in Korea? |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| wishfullthinkng wrote: |
| and as another poster said, he's at the top of his game now and 2-3 years at this point of an athlete's career is extreme detrimental, even career-changing. |
He maybe at the top of his game, but is he at the top of the game? 2 PGA wins? I think he's ranked like 80th in the world. Let's get real here, maybe another lucky 1, or 2 wins before he's 40. He's earned enough cash to live a comfortable life, and probably can rejoin the tour after his service.
Unless he's like in the top 10, and consistently winning PGA tourneys Tiger Woods style, and approaching even half of what Tiger has won, get his butt back here to do his service. It's not like we're taking a Jordan type athlete out of the game at his peak. And unlike other sports like soccer, basketball, or baseball, golfers are competitive even in their early-40's. |
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Fallacy
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:22 am Post subject: RE: Korean PGA Golfer Refuses to do Military Service |
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| Sang-moon Bae is currently playing in the Presidents Cup, his last tournament before military service begins. He must report for duty next week. Does anyone think he might take a runner? Perhaps seek asylum in the EU by mingling with the other migrants? |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: RE: Korean PGA Golfer Refuses to do Military Service |
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| Fallacy wrote: |
| Sang-moon Bae is currently playing in the Presidents Cup, his last tournament before military service begins. He must report for duty next week. Does anyone think he might take a runner? Perhaps seek asylum in the EU by mingling with the other migrants? |
Curious to see how this plays out still.
Has he dodged this long enough to get a national team player exemption? With golf in the Olympics next year, it seems he has yet another out.
The rich keep getting richer. |
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Fallacy
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:25 pm Post subject: RE: Korean PGA Golfer Refuses to do Military Service |
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| Exemption? Nope: he choked on the 17th hole, so they lost the tournament to the Americans, and watched them celebrate on home soil. Now the new question about Sang-moon Bae is this: does he qualify for suicide watch? Are the punters taking bets on before military service begins, during or after? Or does he instead submit to a beat down from others during boot-camp hazing for shaming the honor of his nation? The odds that he should take a runner seem more likely now, if only to save his own life. There is still the distant hope of him playing golf for the Olympic nation team with a shaved head, but only if he remains alive. |
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trueblue
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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| How expats are taking the time to discuss this matter, I will never know. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| trueblue wrote: |
| How expats are taking the time to discuss this matter, I will never know. |
Well, if you live in Korea, and you follow Korean news, military-service and its attendant exemptions is one of the big issues that regularly come up. So, it's not entirely off-the-wall that people would take an interest in discussing it. |
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Fallacy
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:06 am Post subject: RE: Korean PGA Golfer Refuses to do Military Service |
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| How expats are taking the time to discuss this matter, I will never know. |
Well, if you live in Korea, and you follow Korean news, military-service and its attendant exemptions is one of the big issues that regularly come up. So, it's not entirely off-the-wall that people would take an interest in discussing it. |
This. I second trueblue. For those of us inside the ROK bubble, this is high-tension drama. However, I will also give a second to On the other hand in regards to leaving the peninsula. Once I am gone for good, no time will be spent discussing matters such as these, as I will become blissfully unaware. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:09 am Post subject: Re: RE: Korean PGA Golfer Refuses to do Military Service |
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| Fallacy wrote: |
| On the other hand wrote: |
| trueblue wrote: |
| How expats are taking the time to discuss this matter, I will never know. |
Well, if you live in Korea, and you follow Korean news, military-service and its attendant exemptions is one of the big issues that regularly come up. So, it's not entirely off-the-wall that people would take an interest in discussing it. |
This. I second trueblue. For those of us inside the ROK bubble, this is high-tension drama. However, I will also give a second to On the other hand in regards to leaving the peninsula. Once I am gone for good, no time will be spent discussing matters such as these, as I will become blissfully unaware. |
FWIW, besides casually glancing through this thread, I haven't really been following this story about the PGA golfer. But I find military exemptions in general an interesting topic.
Whenever I discuss this in class, I like to start out asking the students what they think of Jehovahs Witnesses and other groups wanting conscientious objector status. If they say they're against that on the grounds that everyone needs to do their duty, I ask them what they think about athletes getting exemptions. More often than not, they think that's okay, because those athletes are supposedly glorifying Korea on the world stage.
Ten years ago, I used to think that it would only be another decade before western-style cynicism about athletes set in over here, and the public would lose its tolerance for military exampetions. But it seems that the rah-rah booster attitude is still going strong. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: RE: Korean PGA Golfer Refuses to do Military Service |
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| Ten years ago, I used to think that it would only be another decade before western-style cynicism about athletes set in over here, and the public would lose its tolerance for military exampetions. But it seems that the rah-rah booster attitude is still going strong. |
I think it's because most athletes in the Korean leagues don't get paid that well. Well, maybe better than your average Korean, but nowhere near the millionaire league.
From what I understand, your average Korean pro-athlete might top out at maybe 200 million-won. Lots are earning in that 50 million to 100 million range. Only the rare top ones get taken overseas for the big bucks. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:17 am Post subject: Re: RE: Korean PGA Golfer Refuses to do Military Service |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| On the other hand wrote: |
| Ten years ago, I used to think that it would only be another decade before western-style cynicism about athletes set in over here, and the public would lose its tolerance for military exampetions. But it seems that the rah-rah booster attitude is still going strong. |
I think it's because most athletes in the Korean leagues don't get paid that well. Well, maybe better than your average Korean, but nowhere near the millionaire league.
From what I understand, your average Korean pro-athlete might top out at maybe 200 million-won. Lots are earning in that 50 million to 100 million range. Only the rare top ones get taken overseas for the big bucks. |
Something to what you say. Though I would opine that, in absolute terms, 200 million won is pretty good money, for doing something that is essentially a hobby that you would willingly do for free.
But yes, if salaries generally are below the 100 mill mark, that probably isn't enough for the image of the "overpaid pampered athlete" to cement itself as the norm in the public mind. |
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