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trueblue
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sligo
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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 Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: Unwanted in Idaho..? |
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| trueblue wrote: |
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/10/thousands_of_muslim_invaders_slated_for_idaho.html
C'mon SR...lay out your book of circular excuses as if it were a baseball card collection. |
Irony = a nation of immigrants complaining about imigration. |
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trueblue
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Sligo: A Simple Simon town in Ireland.
Sligo: Provider of a Simple Simon narrative.
Irony? Nah...the connection is as obvious as 95% of black Americans voting for Nobama because...wait for it...he is black (1/2 anyway).
Muslims should go somewhere else...at least to where they are wanted. |
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sligo
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| trueblue wrote: |
Sligo: A Simple Simon town in Ireland.
Sligo: Provider of a Simple Simon narrative.
Irony? Nah...the connection is as obvious as 95% of black Americans voting for Nobama because...wait for it...he is black (1/2 anyway).
Muslims should go somewhere else...at least to where they are wanted. |
Really? that's the best reply you can offer, offer a childish attack on my username and make a (terrible) pun about Obama and then make a borderline racist generalisation about an entire facet of your country's society. Just like most people, the black american community voted individually for the candidate that they saw represented their best interests. I suppose all the corrupt white gun nuts voted for McCain beacuse he was white too.
It seems most republicunts attack Obama because he isn't republican too, and throw their toys out of the pram because they aren't in control. Seriously though, he has been a million times better than that moron Bush. I watched the last republican debate, and Jebb Bush stated:
'He [George W. Bush] kept us safe.'
Really? 9/11 happened on his watch!
Seriously get off the soap box, this isn't the place for chest beating. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| trueblue wrote: |
Sligo: A Simple Simon town in Ireland.
Sligo: Provider of a Simple Simon narrative.
Irony? Nah...the connection is as obvious as 95% of black Americans voting for Nobama because...wait for it...he is black (1/2 anyway).
Muslims should go somewhere else...at least to where they are wanted. |
Al Gore got 92% of the black vote in 2000. John Kerry got 88% in 2004. Seems like only 3-7% of blacks voted for Obama because he was black. Also, while Obama enjoyed consistent support from black women, black male support fell from 95% to 88% (matching previous levels) in 2012 compared to 2008. Of course, this being a midterm election, this is fairly in line with a fall off in incumbent support.
Of course, Obama getting 95% may have had something to do with the disaster that was George W. Bush's presidency. There was a 6 point swing from both self-identified conservatives and moderates from Bush in 2004 to Obama in 2008. The Democratic party continued its gains with women, postgraduates, and Asian-Americans. The Midwest continued to be in flux, but being a big Democratic win.
http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/national-exit-polls.html
http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1
http://edition.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president/
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| C'mon SR...lay out your book of circular excuses as if it were a baseball card collection. |
The guy is also ignorant. I had no idea Mynamar and the Congo were Muslim countries, but hey who needs facts when you can substitute that with fear.
What kind of person labels 2,000~11,000 people, including women and children, as an invading force in perhaps the most heavily armed countries in the world, a country of 300 million with the best armed forces in the world?You can make an argument against accepting refugees without resorting to fear and hyperbole. Calling 2,000 refugees, including women and children, "invaders" is just ridiculous.
Anyways, they're always welcome in SE Michigan. We have plenty of Middle Eastern people who have settled here for generations. I feel much safer in their communities than say, the trailer park or the ghetto. They weren't the ones doing crack or heroin and then deciding to rob people at gunpoint. |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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Population of Lebanon: just under 6,000,000
Syrian Refugees in Lebanon: just over 1,000,000
Population of Idaho: just over 1,500,000
Syrian Refugees in Idaho: about 2,000 |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| If the residents of Boise or where ever want it to be a "welcoming city" which continually accepts refugees, that is great. It will be a valuable social experiment for the rest of us to observe. If the results really conjure up the "prosperity" and "livability" promised by their mayor, then they will be the beneficiaries, and if it turns out their mayor was a snake-oil salesman, then it will be their problem with which to cope. |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| If the residents of Boise or where ever want it to be a "welcoming city" which continually accepts refugees, that is great. It will be a valuable social experiment for the rest of us to observe. If the results really conjure up the "prosperity" and "livability" promised by their mayor, then they will be the beneficiaries, and if it turns out their mayor was a snake-oil salesman, then it will be their problem with which to cope. |
That is a lot of 'ifs'.
When you say 'their' problem with which to cope, who it their?
Those involved at the beginning of this experiment will not be the same as those involved years down the road...yes? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| That is a lot of 'ifs'. |
That's true. What can I say, mass refugee immigration is an iffy business.
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When you say 'their' problem with which to cope, who it their?
Those involved at the beginning of this experiment will not be the same as those involved years down the road...yes? |
"They" are the collected denizens of the city or cities in question. Yes, the individuals in question may vary over time, but society is an exercise in making choices for our descendants and treating oneself as entitled to be the beneficiary of the choices and efforts of one's antecedants. Unfortunately, the door swings both ways in that regard. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| That is a lot of 'ifs'. |
That's true. What can I say, mass refugee immigration is an iffy business.
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
When you say 'their' problem with which to cope, who it their?
Those involved at the beginning of this experiment will not be the same as those involved years down the road...yes? |
"They" are the collected denizens of the city or cities in question. Yes, the individuals in question may vary over time, but society is an exercise in making choices for our descendants and treating oneself as entitled to be the beneficiary of the choices and efforts of one's antecedants. Unfortunately, the door swings both ways in that regard. |
There are, according to some quick googling, over 600,000 people in the Boise area. Honestly, less than 1% increase is likely to have little or no effect on the city beyond maybe a new ethnic restaurant or two, unless they are all resettled in the same area, in which case the effect would be more localized, but larger. I suspect that if you ask these people a year from now, if they haven't forgotten that it has taken place, they will still be against it, but if you ask them how it has impacted their lives, they would have a hard time answering. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| That is a lot of 'ifs'. |
That's true. What can I say, mass refugee immigration is an iffy business.
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
When you say 'their' problem with which to cope, who it their?
Those involved at the beginning of this experiment will not be the same as those involved years down the road...yes? |
"They" are the collected denizens of the city or cities in question. Yes, the individuals in question may vary over time, but society is an exercise in making choices for our descendants and treating oneself as entitled to be the beneficiary of the choices and efforts of one's antecedants. Unfortunately, the door swings both ways in that regard. |
There are, according to some quick googling, over 600,000 people in the Boise area. Honestly, less than 1% increase is likely to have little or no effect on the city beyond maybe a new ethnic restaurant or two, unless they are all resettled in the same area, in which case the effect would be more localized, but larger. I suspect that if you ask these people a year from now, if they haven't forgotten that it has taken place, they will still be against it, but if you ask them how it has impacted their lives, they would have a hard time answering. |
1) The population of Boise is a little over 200,000. You are listing the population of the Boise Metropolitan Area, which spans 5 counties and includes Idaho's 3 largest cities. A slightly more detailed report of what Google told both of us presents a slightly different image of the situation. I wonder why you reported it as you did? Only you know, I suppose.
2) According to the article, 11,000 refugees have been dumped in Boise since 1995. 11,000 is ~5% of the population of the city. This lot of 2,000 would be another 1% if they were all dumped in Boise (the article mentions some of them being placed in Twin Falls instead, though Twin Falls only has a population of a bit over 40,000). But perhaps more importantly, the mayor of Boise makes this sound like on-going policy, so one can probably expect more refugee placements as time goes on.
3) "A year from now." An interesting phrase. I for one would imagine that concerns about the long-term effects of mass refugee immigration ought to take a generational view, but evidently if things haven't gone to Hell in a year, then everything's a-okay.
Anyway, I've no idea what you're trying to convince me of here. I've already said I'm happy to watch the experiment from afar; what the people of Boise do is their concern. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| That is a lot of 'ifs'. |
That's true. What can I say, mass refugee immigration is an iffy business.
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
When you say 'their' problem with which to cope, who it their?
Those involved at the beginning of this experiment will not be the same as those involved years down the road...yes? |
"They" are the collected denizens of the city or cities in question. Yes, the individuals in question may vary over time, but society is an exercise in making choices for our descendants and treating oneself as entitled to be the beneficiary of the choices and efforts of one's antecedants. Unfortunately, the door swings both ways in that regard. |
There are, according to some quick googling, over 600,000 people in the Boise area. Honestly, less than 1% increase is likely to have little or no effect on the city beyond maybe a new ethnic restaurant or two, unless they are all resettled in the same area, in which case the effect would be more localized, but larger. I suspect that if you ask these people a year from now, if they haven't forgotten that it has taken place, they will still be against it, but if you ask them how it has impacted their lives, they would have a hard time answering. |
1) The population of Boise is a little over 200,000. You are listing the population of the Boise Metropolitan Area, which spans 5 counties and includes Idaho's 3 largest cities. A slightly more detailed report of what Google told both of us presents a slightly different image of the situation. I wonder why you reported it as you did? Only you know, I suppose.
2) According to the article, 11,000 refugees have been dumped in Boise since 1995. 11,000 is ~5% of the population of the city. This lot of 2,000 would be another 1% if they were all dumped in Boise (the article mentions some of them being placed in Twin Falls instead, though Twin Falls only has a population of a bit over 40,000). But perhaps more importantly, the mayor of Boise makes this sound like on-going policy, so one can probably expect more refugee placements as time goes on.
3) "A year from now." An interesting phrase. I for one would imagine that concerns about the long-term effects of mass refugee immigration ought to take a generational view, but evidently if things haven't gone to Hell in a year, then everything's a-okay.
Anyway, I've no idea what you're trying to convince me of here. I've already said I'm happy to watch the experiment from afar; what the people of Boise do is their concern. |
I tend to think of American cities pop. In terms of their metro area, but I've only lived on the east coast, so maybe Midwest metro areas are more spread out (which makes sense). I cannot really see this as a mass refugee resettlement program. Perhaps your scale is different than mine, but as you mentioned the program has been ongoing, we have had test cases in the past. Not to say they've been perfect, but far less than a catastrophe. Not trying to convince you of anything, just giving my take on it. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| I suspect that if you ask these people a year from now, if they haven't forgotten that it has taken place, they will still be against it, but if you ask them how it has impacted their lives, they would have a hard time answering. |
If it were just immigrants being imported, perhaps. But specifically Muslims?
https://www.youtube.com/embed/XELWyJeKSV0?feature=player_detailpage
Seems to have some impact. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| "They" are the collected denizens of the city or cities in question. Yes, the individuals in question may vary over time, but society is an exercise in making choices for our descendants and treating oneself as entitled to be the beneficiary of the choices and efforts of one's antecedants. Unfortunately, the door swings both ways in that regard. |
That 'door' seems to have some issues.
I'll leave the same link, as I would be interested to hear your take on this as well.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/XELWyJeKSV0?feature=player_detailpage
Perhaps you can't be far enough away from this kind of problem if it is going to infect the planet...yes? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
I tend to think of American cities pop. In terms of their metro area, but I've only lived on the east coast, so maybe Midwest metro areas are more spread out (which makes sense). I cannot really see this as a mass refugee resettlement program. Perhaps your scale is different than mine, but as you mentioned the program has been ongoing, we have had test cases in the past. Not to say they've been perfect, but far less than a catastrophe. Not trying to convince you of anything, just giving my take on it. |
Not to get off topic, but Idaho is far from the Midwest.
But yes, a couple thousand in a city of even 200K isn't that many. |
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